12-13-2011, 11:03 AM | #1 |
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Cost of Less Sleep vs Doesn't Sleep
Less Sleep costs [2] per 1 less hour you need to sleep per day. It's capped at 4 levels for some reason (not sure why exactly).
Doesn't Sleep costs [20] and then you just don't need to sleep at all. Assuming you allowed Less Sleep at higher than 4 levels, Less Sleep 8 costs [16], and removes the full 8 hours needed per day to sleep. It feels like something "extra" either must be included in Doesn't Sleep, or else it's a legacy point cost thing. I mention the legacy thing because Doesn't Sleep seems more reasonably valued if we compare it to the 3rd Ed cost of Less Sleep, which was [3] per 1 less hour of sleep, which if you ignored the cap at 5 levels from 3rd (for some reason they lowered the cap to 4 in 4th), then Less Sleep 8 costs [24]. Doesn't Sleep costs the same in both editions. Is there something extra that's worth that extra [4] in Doesn't Sleep [20] vs Less Sleep 8 [16]? Like an immunity to sleep effects? Or is it just one of those things?
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12-13-2011, 11:11 AM | #2 |
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Re: Cost of Less Sleep vs Doesn't Sleep
Many builds where the idea of being put to sleep is not really compatible appear to have Doesn't Sleep as the sole trait relating to their absense of sleep, so I would say by implication, that Doesn't Sleep does include immunity to being put to sleep.
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12-13-2011, 11:13 AM | #3 |
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Re: Cost of Less Sleep vs Doesn't Sleep
I've always played that Doesn't Sleep was the de facto equivalent of Immunity to sleep, but I think part of the discrepancy might be an assumption that Less Sleep would be more valuable if extended past level four.
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12-13-2011, 11:31 AM | #4 |
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Re: Cost of Less Sleep vs Doesn't Sleep
Transhuman Space drugs allow 5 levels of Doesn't Sleep.
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12-13-2011, 11:40 AM | #5 |
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Re: Cost of Less Sleep vs Doesn't Sleep
Doesn't Sleep does indeed include immunity to sleep-causing effects. Think of it as Less Sleep 8 [16] + Immunity (One specific item) [5], rounded to a nice 20 points because there's a little overlap and most people are pentaphiles.
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12-13-2011, 11:43 AM | #6 |
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Re: Cost of Less Sleep vs Doesn't Sleep
So that makes it sound like Less Sleep could go up to 8 levels, the 8th meaning that the PC doesn't require sleep. Which might be nice, given that there are people who get by quite nicely on 2 or 3 hours a night.
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12-13-2011, 12:25 PM | #7 |
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Re: Cost of Less Sleep vs Doesn't Sleep
Thanks for the reply, good to know!
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12-13-2011, 12:49 PM | #8 | |
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Re: Cost of Less Sleep vs Doesn't Sleep
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But there's certainly nothing wrong with the price, and pushing sleep requirements down to one hour for nonhumans, or "no hours but still vulnerable to sleep effects" for enhanced/modified humans seems reasonable. I wouldn't give nonhumans who have never needed sleep "Less Sleep 8" - It would hurt my brain to figure out why they can be "put" to sleep but don't sleep on their own.
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12-13-2011, 01:13 PM | #9 | |
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Re: Cost of Less Sleep vs Doesn't Sleep
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I seem to remember whales are active 24/7 because half their brain can sleep while the other remains active. An external cause for sleep like drugs would probably (I'm no biologist) affect both sides though. So Less Sleep 8 would make sense for a Were-Whale. :P |
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12-13-2011, 01:16 PM | #10 | |
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Re: Cost of Less Sleep vs Doesn't Sleep
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They may also have Less Sleep, but they've got a very limited version of Doesn't Sleep (Takes Stat Penalties Instead Of Sleeping). I mean really - they do usually use both halves of their brain. They NOTICE when half of it is offline :)
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