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Old 10-04-2010, 11:58 AM   #1
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Default Kiai - Attack or Concentrate?

Kiai counts as an attack, but is it an Attack maneuver or a Concentrate maneuver?

If it is an Attack, can it be Committed? All Out? Move-and?
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Old 10-04-2010, 12:42 PM   #2
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Kiai counts as an attack, but is it an Attack maneuver or a Concentrate maneuver?

If it is an Attack, can it be Committed? All Out? Move-and?
It's an attack - like swinging a sword or grabbing someone's arm for a grapple. Which suggests you can use it with Extra Attack, Rapid Strike, Dual Weapon Attack, etc, which is an interesting idea.

And with a Committed/All Out/Move And with all the normal restrictions. Martial Arts has some notes on how those work with non-damaging contest-type attacks, normally for wrestling but they'd work here too.
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Old 10-07-2010, 04:12 AM   #3
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Default Re: Kiai - Attack or Concentrate?

Yes, Kiai is an attack, and can be used at part of any Attack Maneuver. Note that as a HT-based attack, it cannot use options that modify DX rolls (like AoA: Determined).
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Old 10-07-2010, 10:28 AM   #4
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Yes, Kiai is an attack, and can be used at part of any Attack Maneuver. Note that as a HT-based attack, it cannot use options that modify DX rolls (like AoA: Determined).
Why? I don't recall the rule for AoA:Determined saying it gives a bonus to DX-based attack rolls, just attack rolls period.
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Old 10-07-2010, 11:04 AM   #5
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Why? I don't recall the rule for AoA:Determined saying it gives a bonus to DX-based attack rolls, just attack rolls period.
It's specifically a bonus "to hit", not "attack rolls". It doesn't give a bonus on Maledictions, for example, regardless of the skill you're rolling and what attribute it's based on.

Re-reading the options in Martial Arts, there's nothing there that I'm seeing particularly applicable to Kiai either.
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Old 10-07-2010, 07:22 PM   #6
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Default Re: Kiai - Attack or Concentrate?

If Kiai is an attack, then can I discharge my Kiai as a Defensive Attack and get +1 to my Block?

Personally, I think Kiai should have been defined as concentration, not attack, like Malediction.
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Old 10-07-2010, 11:58 PM   #7
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A defensive Kiai would also give the target +1 to resist (as for other none-damaging attacks)
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Old 10-08-2010, 12:11 AM   #8
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Why? I don't recall the rule for AoA:Determined saying it gives a bonus to DX-based attack rolls, just attack rolls period.
Because Kromm says so ;-)
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Old 01-24-2011, 10:20 PM   #9
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Default Re: Kiai - Attack or Concentrate?

The book says that Kiai is an attack.

If that's right, can you use it as a part of a Rapid Strike?
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Old 01-25-2011, 02:12 AM   #10
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The book says that Kiai is an attack.

If that's right, can you use it as a part of a Rapid Strike?
I suspect that's why it's an attack :J
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