09-30-2018, 02:47 AM | #1 |
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Money in TFT
Since the purging of any reference to metrics is being done, how about purging any reference to "dollars" ("$")? Gold-silver-copper pieces seem more appropriate for archaic fighting/fantasy playing.
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09-30-2018, 12:08 PM | #2 |
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Re: Metric system in TFT?
The refererence to "gold pieces" is itself a fantasy-ism; people have been naming currency for a long time. It's in books, and thence games, that "gold piece" became a generic term. And "dollar" is an old word and has a convenient symbol.
Fun fact: A "piece of eight" was a real coin. Silver, not gold. It was designed to be broken into eight pieces to make change. Why eight? I do not know. |
09-30-2018, 12:13 PM | #3 | |
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a Spanish milled dollar, a typical round coin. The coin could be broken in half, and each half broken in half again, and each quarter in half again. And it looks just like your half, quarter, and eighth on a typical pie chart. each eighth was a bit; there are 8 bits to a dollar. This is the origin of the famous "shave & a haircut: two bits!" song. The cost was a quarter, or two 1/8 pices of 8 (two bits)! EDIT: This year, the Canadian Mint created their own "answer" to the piece of eight. It's called the Maple Flex Bar, and despite its tasty-sounding name, isn't edible. It's a 2-0z silver bar that can be broken up into 19 pieces and bartered with for trade. The smallest divisions are 1/20th Oz. Here's a picture of one. https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...298&height=241
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09-30-2018, 01:13 PM | #4 | |
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09-30-2018, 02:27 PM | #5 |
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Re: Metric system in TFT?
I once had a waitress ask me if I wanted my pizza cut into six slices or eight slices. I told her to cut it into six slices because I didn't think I could eat eight slices.
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09-30-2018, 02:41 PM | #6 |
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Re: Metric system in TFT?
I think it depends on the world. Cidri seems to me like it would be metric, but I'm sure most fantasy worlds wouldn't be.
Likewise I like the idea of prices being in a standard $ with conversions to whatever the local coin might be. Thalers (from which the name "dollar" derives) were first minted in 1519. Units of weight pretty commonly turn into units of currency (drachma and pound, for instance). Has there been written material about money in Cidri other than what's in the basic TFT materials, then or now?
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09-30-2018, 03:55 PM | #7 | |
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10-01-2018, 12:29 PM | #8 | |
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The standard trade dollar was in fact silver, but a similar coin in gold was made and used at $16 value. |
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10-01-2018, 04:16 PM | #9 | |
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The US penny has an interesting valuation in the 1792 coinage act, section 9, defining the following coins and values. unreduced fractions retained, but text reduced to numbers (excepting the Eagle for demonstration of textual form) The value of a grain of "standard gold" is thus about 37 mils per grain, 2.4 mils per grain for "standard gold"), and copper about 0.038 mils per grain. This gives gold a value of around 977 x that of copper, and 15.4x that of silver; silver about 63.46x that of copper.
That's about the highest value of copper historically - modern copper extraction was absent, silver was flowing rapidly, and gold was still largely placer mined... Modern mining has not massively increased gold availability as much as it did silver, and copper mining has shot so far up in capability that copper values are now much less value compared to silver. Assuming a $1 reference of any reasonable size Note that bronze or brass coins can be good $0.1, with copper as $0.01, and gold coins would be debased to about 60% gold (copper-gold alloy) to get a similar weight gold coin in real world pre-industrial, late-/post- -renaissance Earth, about 75% in Cidri. TLDR Copper is logically not a good value for a $0.1 coin - unless it weighs 10 times as much as the silver coin. Corollary: Gygax's coin names are idiocy. |
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10-01-2018, 04:39 PM | #10 |
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This was all part of the debate at the time; I don't intend to relitigate the arguments here -- especially since that's exactly the point I made at the time.
I'm merely reporting the consensus/Steve's "ruling" on the topic. |
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