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Old 08-31-2013, 10:15 AM   #71
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Space Eurocentrism?
It wasn't so long ago that most Europeans were at least in part an honor culture. And they had a better record back then if only because they were more bloodthirsty.
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Old 08-31-2013, 12:01 PM   #72
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Oppressive police states I get though these can make good soldiers if the glorious leader is not to paranoid about his army. After all growing up being herded around by stasi types may leave them with perpetual PTSD. But why are honor/shame cultures unsuited to be space marines?
Because such cultures can lead space marines to undertake ill-advised actions because their "honor" demands it. Or refusing to take orders from a superior officer because he is of "lower birth" than the marine. Or the marine committing suicide because he was unable to execute a particular order, which someone from a less honor/shame driven society might recognize as having been untenable in the first place.

Strong steeping in the whole "honor/shame" thing can lead to terrible inflexibility of thought.
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Old 08-31-2013, 12:07 PM   #73
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Because such cultures can lead space marines to undertake ill-advised actions because their "honor" demands it. Or refusing to take orders from a superior officer because he is of "lower birth" than the marine. Or the marine committing suicide because he was unable to execute a particular order, which someone from a less honor/shame driven society might recognize as having been untenable in the first place.

Strong steeping in the whole "honor/shame" thing can lead to terrible inflexibility of thought.
Quite true and it has historically several times. But at the same time, such cultures have been able to obtain striking successes and to form modern armies.

The Indian Army was composed largely of such cultures as were the Imperial Japanese forces. And though both had their weaknesses saying they were incapable is going more then a bit to far.
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