03-28-2020, 05:01 PM | #1 |
Join Date: Jun 2010
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Price of Max Penetrating Vision?
Definitely house rule territory here. I love this trait, but like many other traits (Create, Affliction, skill defaults) I barely invest in it because early levels are great but little is gained from later ones. For those I've come up with some nice houserules to help make them better, but not Penetrating Vision. While thinking on better progression methods for it, I realized that being able to see through any amount of matter isn't unreasonable, especially as a super power with Specific. My gut instinct was to make it 50pts to see through anything (it seems to me about as useful as any other 50pt power) but maybe 100pts makes more sense. On the other end of the spectrum, 10pts seems good for 6in, but I might start it at 5pts for 1 in and go up from there.
Thoughts? I'm mostly spitballing here, I really don't know how good (or bad) PV is, just that 6in for 10pts is worth it but not any levels beyond. Thank you ahead of time. |
03-28-2020, 05:48 PM | #2 |
Join Date: Jan 2015
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Re: Price of Max Penetrating Vision?
You could just use the Speed/Range table from B550. Subtract 7 or 8 from the level of Penetrating Vision, read it as Size, and then across to Linear Measurement to find out how deep you can see into/through stuff.
Or go log scale. Last edited by CeeDub; 03-28-2020 at 05:58 PM. |
03-28-2020, 06:11 PM | #3 |
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Re: Price of Max Penetrating Vision?
I definitely like Speed/Range table and I generalize it for many things, so I might use that for building up to the upper limit. I just don't know where the cut off should be, since it feels like there is a fair price to "can see through anything".
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03-28-2020, 06:52 PM | #4 |
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Re: Price of Max Penetrating Vision?
Well, what do you think is the most amount of stuff that a PC might want to look through in your setting? Especially with Specific, there is a limit to how much of that one substance could be found in one place. Just eyeball it.
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03-28-2020, 07:46 PM | #5 | |
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Re: Price of Max Penetrating Vision?
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If there's an upper limit (which there definitely is when you compare other similarly costed traits) that solves basically all those questions, then lesser distance can be grabbed if points or concept deem it so. |
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03-28-2020, 09:01 PM | #6 |
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Re: Price of Max Penetrating Vision?
If you are statting Heimdallr or someone with similar powers, I would go with a handful of levels in Penetrating Vision, and Clairvoyance with generous levels of Increased Range. If my math is right, I'd say +180% for seeing anywhere on Earth, +610% for just about anywhere in our galaxy, +770% for anywhere in the observable universe.
Add Reduced Time, Reliable, and Cosmic:NDRR as needed. |
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03-28-2020, 10:38 PM | #8 | ||
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But I don't know if that's too good or even good enough. And you can have something similar with Detect (Long Range 2, Reflexive) for infinite range. |
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03-28-2020, 11:50 PM | #9 |
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Re: Price of Max Penetrating Vision?
I ended up using Detect (Reflexive) for a Supers character with Permeation who "flew" through the earth but couldn't pass through metal pipes, rebar foundations, etc. At his flight speed, enough Penetrating Vision to see where he would be each second was very cost-prohibitive.
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03-29-2020, 08:24 PM | #10 | |
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