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Old 03-28-2020, 03:28 PM   #1
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To Create at a range, you add Ranged to it. Seems simple enough. But Ranged comes with a number of assumptions, namely here that it has RoF and Recoil. How exactly does RoF work with Create? Is it just like any other attack and the create happens RoF times with Recoil helping decide if I hit the right area?
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Old 03-28-2020, 03:49 PM   #2
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RoF is 1 and to add increased RoF you would need an enhancement. Since the base power comes with a FP cost I'd require that be applied if I allowed it at all.
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RoF is 1 and to add increased RoF you would need an enhancement. Since the base power comes with a FP cost I'd require that be applied if I allowed it at all.
Right. My current character has a bunch of various attacks, all with Link and RoF 20, and I was wondering how that would look on Create. I just wasn't sure if this would make 20 instances of Create or 1/20 of one instance of Create in 20 places.
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Old 03-30-2020, 01:21 AM   #4
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Right. My current character has a bunch of various attacks, all with Link and RoF 20, and I was wondering how that would look on Create. I just wasn't sure if this would make 20 instances of Create or 1/20 of one instance of Create in 20 places.
I would require 20 times the normal create. If I was being generous, I'd require the ROF bonus as an FP modifier.
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I would require 20 times the normal create. If I was being generous, I'd require the ROF bonus as an FP modifier.
My apologies, I'm not sure what this means. You would require 20 levels of Create? You'd treat the RoF as FP?
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Old 03-31-2020, 10:46 AM   #6
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I would require 20 times the normal create. If I was being generous, I'd require the ROF bonus as an FP modifier.
Does anyone recall if this situation was discussed anywhere?

Closest I can recall is P100's discussion of Area Effect:
If the advantage has a FP cost, multiply this by the radius in yards.
There's a 2009 thread http://forums.sjgames.com/showthread.php?t=55566 where vicky said per-second and kuroshima said per-attack so either way nobody was saying per-shot but I'd love to write down a page number or krommpost for it.
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Old 03-31-2020, 12:11 PM   #7
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My apologies, I'm not sure what this means. You would require 20 levels of Create? You'd treat the RoF as FP?
Kirbwarrior was saying "Right. My current character has a bunch of various attacks, all with Link and RoF 20, and I was wondering how that would look on Create. I just wasn't sure if this would make 20 instances of Create or 1/20 of one instance of Create in 20 places."

I am saying that I would require an FP cost of 20 times the original FP cost of the power. Or maybe an FP cost multiplier equal to the RoF bonus (from rapid fire). I still have to think about this.

I just don't like putting rapid fire on Create.
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Old 03-31-2020, 12:39 PM   #8
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I am saying that I would require an FP cost of 20 times the original FP cost of the power. Or maybe an FP cost multiplier equal to the RoF bonus (from rapid fire). I still have to think about this.

I just don't like putting rapid fire on Create.
Ah, okay, that makes a lot more sense, thanks. Considering that Create scales nonlinearly, the RoF bonus is likely the closest comparison to buying Create up to the 'same amount'. I never even considered it before, I just noticed that Ranged always gives RoF (well, 1) and thus could be modified. It definitely changes Healing.

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There's a 2009 thread http://forums.sjgames.com/showthread.php?t=55566 where vicky said per-second and kuroshima said per-attack so either way nobody was saying per-shot but I'd love to write down a page number or krommpost for it.
I think the easiest way to determine it is remove RoF, figure out costs, then put RoF back on it and (optionally) divide total cost among RoF.
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