12-17-2010, 01:02 PM | #1 | |
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[DF] "Classic" Dungeon Fantasy racial vision types
While rereading Dungeon Fantasy 2 and 3 as well as playing way too much Dungeons and Dragons Online and Neverwinter Nights 2 I've come to the realization that the templates presented in DF3 are missing some of the munchkiny features they have in other games - namely things like Infravision, Dark Vision, etc.
Would allowing it, either starting or as a "Power Up" be terribly unbalancing or against the spirit of GURPS Dungeon Fantasy?
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12-17-2010, 01:30 PM | #2 |
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Re: [DF] "Classic" Dungeon Fantasy racial vision types
Most of the racial templates are around 20 points, so giving some kind of funky vision is going to make them more expensive. It seems kind of weird as a power-up (why do only some dwarves have Darkvision?) but it's not inconsistent with the general wonkiness of the sub-genre.
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12-18-2010, 01:16 AM | #3 |
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Re: [DF] "Classic" Dungeon Fantasy racial vision types
I always prefer to make my own racial templates, but that sounds like ranks of Night Vision (B71, 4ish CP) or Dark Vision (B47, 25 CP).
But I'm not in the habit of giving out darkvision as it tends to be too disruptive to the game (how can you have interesting lighting in a scene when some of the characters are never affected by such things?) so I'd just give them varying amounts of Night Vision -- which is exactly what I've done for such races in the past.
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12-18-2010, 01:29 AM | #4 | |
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12-18-2010, 07:08 AM | #5 |
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12-18-2010, 01:17 PM | #6 | |
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That's all there is to it. If the GM solves the budget problem, e.g. by giving all playes 300 CPs to build characters with instead of the default 250 CPs, or via some other functioning method, it should work out fine. You'd get more complex ability interactions in combat, and just before combat, but that's entirely in the spirit of DF, and there's no reason to assume GURPS can't handle those ability interactions as least as well as the best edition of D&D can. I also can't see that there's anything munchkinrish about either Infravision or Dark Visio, at all, if the setting is aware that those trait exists and therefore, in accordance wth the principles of realism, has evolved appropriate tactics to deal with them. edit: I overlooked the "power-up" part. Others have already addressed the unrealsm of this, and I have nothing to say that hasn't already been said, on that subject. Last edited by Peter Knutsen; 12-18-2010 at 01:19 PM. Reason: Clarifying a point I initially had overlooked |
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12-18-2010, 10:35 PM | #8 |
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It's good enough for D&D 3.5 (yep, there are 'racial paragon' classes), but that doesn't mean it has to be good enough for you...
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I actually like this better as I feel it gives more room to grow. |
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12-19-2010, 04:52 AM | #10 |
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Re: [DF] "Classic" Dungeon Fantasy racial vision types
Personally, I also give 300 points, and allow them to take 20 more points of disadvantages, on top of the 50+5 in the professional templates. Mind you, this means that you get very competent starting characters! One of them even managed to include a racial lens and a lens! (Wood Elf Scout/Mystic Knight).
Next time, I might go for reduced templates from Eric's DF on the cheap. |
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