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06-20-2011, 08:32 AM | #1 |
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In the beginning
Someone created the Gods, and the Gods created the World. And life. That's how it goes in fantasy, right?
But why did they stop there? "God created the world in seven days", well, six, actually, he rested on the seventh. But after that? Well he's been resting for quite some time now. The purpose of this thread? Well, a few. 1) A good list of plausible (or at least kind of sensible) reasons why the gods only created one world. 2) A good life of plausible (or at least kind of sensible) reasons why the gods created these races, and no more. Did they lose the abilities afterwards? Did it require so much energy that they are still trying to recover? Oh, and 3) Using GURPS RAW, how would you build the ability to create life? I mean, an entire species. Create (from Powers) is no good here, I think. 4) In connection to the above, replace "life" and "species" with "divine entities" or "gods". Like, in the beginning Chaos created a god, the god created some other gods. Etc. 5) And a little extra: Induce someone with any ability. They don't get Modular Abilities. They get an ability I choose, but this ability can be anything I can imagine. I think, though, that if you are capable of 3) or 4), you could just do this at time of creation, but it still matters. Oh, and why, you ask? I'm creating gods for a setting.
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06-20-2011, 09:30 AM | #2 |
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Re: In the beginning
Well, the Bible says God looked at his creation and saw that it was good. Maybe the gods simply didn't feel the need to add anything to a good product. They are gods, after all, what they make is without flaw and needs neither adding, nor taking away. That's why they stopped when they did, and made no further worlds, nor things in this world.
Makes for a good reason for religious injunctions against creating new life.
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06-20-2011, 09:52 AM | #3 |
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Re: In the beginning
The "universe" is small and young. Creation is still going on (those fantastic creatures aren't the work of a mad wizard). Somewhere in the range of the biblical universe (flat, a few hundred miles square, and covered by a dome) to the medieval (geocentric, star fixed to a sphere just beyond the orbit of Saturn). A couple of hundred to at most a couple of thousand years old. The "gods" are hard at work pushing the limits of they're powers just keeping this awkward construct functioning.
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06-20-2011, 09:58 AM | #4 |
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Re: In the beginning
Since "There was nothing" before God/s created Earth/species ,maybe God/s had to use/spend their own essence in their creation of Realm over which they will preside.
So more powerful Gods created bigger chunks of "things in existence" with more powerful making "bigger chunks".... ..Gaia made Earth (hence Earth IS Gaia) , Storm God created Storms .... than weaker Gods/Pantheons "took over" or claimed certain aspects in geographicaly limited regions :::> Norse pantheon...Greek pant. ..Egyptian...and somewhere they(Gods) fought for supremacy... ..Jahve Created Heaven and Hell and helped Gaia create Earth (after all -jahve IS "Father in heaven" while Gaia is "Mother Earth") ... and now with "creation essence" spent lesser Gods fight among themselves for supremacy in their chosen spheres of interest.
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06-20-2011, 09:24 PM | #5 | |
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This could be an interesting aspect. Every time a new member of the race is born, it saps yet another spark of divinity from the gods associated with this race, effectively making sure that the more numerous the race, the less powerful the god. This could also explain human sacrifice ("We return the divine spark to the one who created us").
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If there's any kind of pantheon going on, I can't take the notion that any one of its members is omnipotent without snickering. That doesn't match up with any mythos with which I am familiar; polytheistic deities are finite beings, even if incredibly powerful, and can therefore be statted up. I'd call Satan an equal-powered Enemy for, say, Zeus, Thor, Vishnu, or any other non-Judeo-Christian object of worship I'm even passingly familiar with (the fact that I put all three of them in the same ballpark probably shows my ignorance of at least two of them). If your gods are weaker or stronger than that, adjust accordingly. Quote:
The Hebrew God, worshiped by all Judeo-Christians, is omnipotent. In GURPS terms, even if you could give Him stats, His point total would not be "near-infinite" it would be plain "infinite." While 50% of infinity would be allowed for his disadvantage limit, if built as a PC in a campaign, there's nothing to make Him go up to His limit. Possible "disadvantages" in GURPS terms that may apply: - Truthfulness(6), Truthfulness(no resistance roll), or Major Vow(Never Lie); God is Truth, lies contradict what He is. - Honesty(6), some Code of Honor, or Vow, as appropriate for His always keeping His promises, and never breaking His law. - Sense of Duty(Humanity) or Selfless(6); to the point where He gives His Son to die for the sins of undeserving humans. - A Quirk for His covenant with Abraham; "I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you." This does not get bought off or swapped for another Quirk after the Resurrection. Polytheistic gods and goddesses have to be, pretty much by definition, finite. They can be so hugely powerful that their point totals don't matter, but they can't be infinite. From what I can tell, they're generally about as powerful as high-ranking Judeo-Christian angels. They could claim half their point totals in disadvantages, again, if they're being built as PCs and their GM enforces that limit, but are in no way obligated to take as many points as they're allowed; heck, lots of disadvantages don't scale to well, so it's possible that some might run out of disadvantages to take if they try.
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In fact Orthodox Judaism holds, as fair as I can tell in the most common writings and interveiwing other flavors of Jews about it, that as one's station ascends from barbarian to righteous gentile to Jew, from Israelite to Kohan to Levite, from child to adult, from woman to man, etc that there are more and more laws one is responisble for following as one is closer to G-d, and the Elohim themselves are strictly bound by Adonai's standards of goodness and the knowledge of the true nature of connectedness of all things so that they seldom may intervene. |
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06-22-2011, 04:02 AM | #10 | |
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As to nothing being impossible for God, I'll respectfully suggest that Christians have that on pretty good authority, no matter the language you choose, see Matthew 19:26 or Luke 1:37. The Jews have Genesis 18:14 or Jeremiah 32:27. |
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