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Old 11-09-2007, 06:20 PM   #81
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Thank you very kindly. Looks to me like your group is the closest to us (we're near Waterloo). If we happened to be out your direction would it be feasible for us to stop by and play some?
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Old 11-11-2007, 10:57 AM   #82
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Quint: Five gauss guns on a camper!

Camper; CA Frame; Extra Heavy chassis w/6 Tires (Dualies); Heavy Active suspension; 200 cid Engine w/VP Turbo, Super, Overdrive; 6 Solid Steel FP tires. Driver w/Body Armor. 3xGauss Gun w/10xStandard each linked F; 2xGauss Gun w/10xStandard each linked B; Flaming Oil Discharger L, R, and B. Hi-Res Computer; No-Paint Windshield; Long-Distance Radio; Radar; Radar Detector; Tinted Windows; Bumper Trigger F and B; HD Brakes, ABS. 207 pts. FP (F: 60 R: 37 L: 37 B: 50 T: 7 U: 15); 2x10 pt. FP Hubs F; 2x10 pt. FP Guards B. Cost: $122,720, Wgt: 7,800, HC: 3, Top Speed: 82.5 (102.5), Accel: 20 (15).
Gauss Guns need POWER to work , so your Gas Engined Camper NEEDS a Laser Battery or similar ! :-) My design can fire ALL five GGs to the front arc - good for turn Medium Trikes to confetti !!!
I'll post it when I've found the notes - in the same price range though .
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Old 11-11-2007, 11:08 AM   #83
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Gauss Guns need POWER to work , so your Gas Engined Camper NEEDS a Laser Battery or similar ! :-) My design can fire ALL five GGs to the front arc - good for turn Medium Trikes to confetti !!!
My response: Mangler -- Six gauss guns on a camper!

Camper; CA Frame; Extra Heavy chassis w/6 Tires (Dualies); Heavy Active suspension; 150 cid Engine w/Tubes, BP, VP Turbo, Overdrive, 5 gallon Duelling tank; 6 Solid tires. Driver. 3xGauss Gun w/10xStandard each linked F; Gauss Gun w/10 Standard and 1 Mag in 3s Turret; Gauss Gun w/10 Standard in 2s Sponson L; Gauss Gun w/10 Standard in 2s Sponson L; 2xFlame Cloud Discharger, L, R, linked. 4xSmart Link (All GG-F, Turret-L, Turret-R, Turret-R & L); Hi-Res Computer. 165 pts. Plastic (F: 35 R: 30 L: 30 B: 30 T: 30 U: 10); 2x10 pt. Plastic Hubs F; 2x10 pt. Plastic Guards B. Cost: $117,000, Wgt: 7,800, HC: 3, Top Speed: 60 (80), Accel: 10 (5).


The description of Laser Batteries says that they're necessary only for lasers and "power-draining electronics (radar, IR, etc)." I agree that it could be clearer, but I think Gauss Guns are exempted. If you disagree, replace the extra magazine with a laser battery in the turret.

One detail that would be nice to add to the game is how many electrical Power Factors gas engines produce. Maybe one for every hundred CID? One per thousand motive PF (three thousand Maximum Load for oversized engines)?

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Old 11-11-2007, 11:27 AM   #84
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Mangler P: Same basic concept, but with better armor and a much lower cost.

Camper; CA Frame; Extra Heavy chassis w/6 Tires (Dualies); Heavy Active suspension; 150 cid Engine w/Tubes, BP, VP Turbo, Overdrive, 5 gallon Duelling tank; 6 Solid FP tires. Driver. Universal 3s Turret T; 2s Sponson R; 2s Sponson L. 3xRocket Launcher w/10xIncendiary each linked F; Infrared Targeting Laser and Rocket Launcher w/10 Incendiary, 1 Mag in 3s Turret T; Rocket Launcher w/10 Incendiary in 2s Sponson L; Rocket Launcher w/10 Incendiary in 2s Sponson L; Flame Cloud Discharger, L, R, linked. 4xSmart Link (All RL-F, Turret-L, Turret-R, Turret, L, R-B); Hi-Res Computer; Laser Guidance Link: 1 laser, 70 rockets. 199 pts. FP (F: 45 R: 36 L: 36 B: 36 T: 36 U: 10); 2x10 pt. FP Hubs F; 2x10 pt. FP Guards B. Cost: $90,740, Wgt: 7,796, HC: 3, Top Speed: 60 (80), Accel: 10 (5).


Note that the language under Laser Batteries suggests that Targeting Lasers require them for use with a gas engine, but they have no power requirement, and I think are explicitly exempted by a ruling in ADQ (CWRQ 4.6 exempts them as well).

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Old 11-11-2007, 10:06 PM   #85
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Khan: Endorsed by BLUD.

CA Frame, Streamlining; Extra Heavy chassis w/6 Tires (Dualies); Heavy Active suspension; 150 cid Engine w/Tubes, VP Turbo, Overdrive, 5 gallon Duelling tank; 6 Solid tires. Driver w/Body Armor. Tank Gun 75mm, Spinal Mounted w/10xAPFSDS F, 1 Mag w/ 10 APFSDS; Flaming Oil Discharger, 2L, 2R, linked in pairs. Hi-Res Single Weapon Computer; HD Shocks; Spoiler; Airdam. 195 pts. Sloped Plastic (F: 60 R: 40 L: 40 B: 40 T: 5 U: 10); 2x10 pt. Plastic Hubs F; 2x10 pt. Plastic Guards B. Cargo: 2 spaces. Cost: $59,835, Wgt: 7,200, HC: 3 (4), Top Speed: 65 (85), Accel: 10 (5).
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Old 11-11-2007, 10:21 PM   #86
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The description of Laser Batteries says that they're necessary only for lasers and "power-draining electronics (radar, IR, etc)." I agree that it could be clearer, but I think Gauss Guns are exempted. If you disagree, replace the extra magazine with a laser battery in the turret.
Gauss Guns use 1/2 Power Unit per shot, which means you'd need a Laser Battery. (This is different from a Targeting Laser, whose description specifically says it doesn't drain the plant. Thus the ruling that kept changing throughout the life of the game.)

In case it matters, the Laser Battery description says they are placed with the engine, not in turret spaces. Turret magazines are typically internal as well, so you're probably not changing anything on that front.
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Old 11-11-2007, 10:31 PM   #87
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In case it matters, the Laser Battery description says they are placed with the engine, not in turret spaces. Turret magazines are typically internal as well, so you're probably not changing anything on that front.
Good point. The magazine actually went in the turret to save space.
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Old 11-13-2007, 01:51 PM   #88
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MicroMagnum: A lot of gun in very little car. (Didn't go in the classic Div 20 thread due to the spinal mount.)

Subcompact; CA Frame; Extra Heavy chassis; Heavy suspension; 50 cid Engine w/BP, VP Turbo, Overdrive, 4 gallon Duelling Tank; 4 Solid tires. Driver w/Body Armor, Personal Fire Extinguisher. Anti-Tank Gun, Spinal Mounted w/10xAPFSDS F. Hi-Res Single Weapon Computer; HD Brakes. 162 pts. Plastic (F: 50 R: 35 L: 35 B: 30 T: 4 U: 8); 2xFake Hubs F; 2xFake Guards B. Cost: $20,000, Wgt: 2,758, HC: 4, Top Speed: 60 (80), Accel: 10 (5).


MicroMagnum XV: The Div 15 variant.

Subcompact; CA Frame; Extra Heavy chassis; Improved suspension; 50 cid Engine w/BP, Turbo, Overdrive, 4 gallon Duelling tank; 4 PR Steel tires. Driver w/Body Armor, Personal Fire Extinguisher. Anti-Tank Gun, Spinal Mounted w/10xAPFSDS. Single-Weapon Computer. 10 pts. Metal and 112 pts. Plastic (F: 10/15 R: 0/30 L: 0/30 B: 0/27 T: 0/3 U: 0/7); 2xFake Hubs F; 2xFake Guards B. Cost: $14,925, Wgt: 2,758, HC: 3, Top Speed: 60 (80), Accel: 5/10 (2.5/5).
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Old 11-22-2007, 10:19 AM   #89
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Express -- Why trust your precious cargo to a plain old truck when you can put it in a real armored car?

Large Armored Car; eight SB OR Solid Tires; Large Power Plant. Driver;two Gunners; all with Body Armor. TG w/ APFSDS in 15-space AFV turret; two linked VMGs in 4-space universal turret atop AFV turret; two APFSDS mags for TG in body; two VMG mags in AFV turret. Two Hi-Res TCs (Gunners); IFE; IRSS, AFV turret F; Long-Range Radio; No-Paint Windshield; Radar; Tinted Windows. Eight 10-point plastic wheelguards; eight 10-point plastic wheelhubs. Laminate Metal/Laminate Plastic Armor: F 20/45, Sides 10/25, B 20/40, TF 20/20, TB 10/20, UF and UB 10/10, Turret F 20/40, Turret Sides and B 10/25. Cargo: 6950 lbs, 23 spaces. $534,000; 50,000 lbs. Top Speed 90, Accel 2.5/5, HC 1.

(Note that all components are legal for civilian use according to UACfH.)
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Old 11-25-2007, 08:49 AM   #90
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My response: Mangler -- Six gauss guns on a camper!

Camper; CA Frame; Extra Heavy chassis w/6 Tires (Dualies); Heavy Active suspension; 150 cid Engine w/Tubes, BP, VP Turbo, Overdrive, 5 gallon Duelling tank; 6 Solid tires. Driver. 3xGauss Gun w/10xStandard each linked F; Gauss Gun w/10 Standard and 1 Mag in 3s Turret; Gauss Gun w/10 Standard in 2s Sponson L; Gauss Gun w/10 Standard in 2s Sponson L; 2xFlame Cloud Discharger, L, R, linked. 4xSmart Link (All GG-F, Turret-L, Turret-R, Turret-R & L); Hi-Res Computer. 165 pts. Plastic (F: 35 R: 30 L: 30 B: 30 T: 30 U: 10); 2x10 pt. Plastic Hubs F; 2x10 pt. Plastic Guards B. Cost: $117,000, Wgt: 7,800, HC: 3, Top Speed: 60 (80), Accel: 10 (5).


The description of Laser Batteries says that they're necessary only for lasers and "power-draining electronics (radar, IR, etc)." I agree that it could be clearer, but I think Gauss Guns are exempted. If you disagree, replace the extra magazine with a laser battery in the turret.

One detail that would be nice to add to the game is how many electrical Power Factors gas engines produce. Maybe one for every hundred CID? One per thousand motive PF (three thousand Maximum Load for oversized engines)?
GG's drain 1/2 power unit per shot , and even TL which drain NO power units still need as Laser Battery ( Pyramid 4 ) . State of The Art part 1 in ADQ 7/2 states that Gas Engines only have a small axillary 'Flywheel' to power the vehicle's basic electronics , FE's etc , and not much else .
Sorry to say but I don't think you can place a Laser Batt in a turret , as it says ( somewhere ) that it has to be adjacent to the Power Plant/Gas Engine .
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