Transhuman Space/Mage: the Ascension Crossover

[DocRailgun]

The "Sabbat" won't survive the destruction of the Tremere Antitibu by Tremere Himself. The organization always was meant to be disposable by the Lasombra and Tzimice and once the Lasombra realize that the Tzimice have been corrupted by the Vicissitude being there will be a war that will tear what's left of the outer Sabbat apart. Of course, the Sabbat was also always a way to protect the Black Hand and the Antedeluvians hiding in the Underworld. Once the Tremere antitribu are gone and the Assamite viziers are the primary blood wizards of the Kindred, the Tal'me'rah will reveal themselves. The True Brujah will make unlife very difficult for the Ventrue and Toreador elders - maybe those Clans won't even survive the war? They're certainly not prepared for the attacks that will come - Temporis, spirit magic, Euthanatos allies, Revenants, and so on.

If all those things hadn't happened, though, the Sabbat (not the "hit Childer over the head with a shovel and bury them" wasteful Sabbat meant only to **** off the Camarilla) but the actual Sabbat organization has been ascendant for hundreds of years. Where do you think democracy comes from? The Founding Fathers of the American Revolution were heavily influenced by the Black Hand. It certainly wasn't the Ventrue or even the idealist Brujah, though the latter would love to claim the Revolution as a victory against Mithras (the Prince of London). No, the Idealists always eventually side with the Elders because rocking the boat too much upsets the plan.

In any case, the "Sabbat" if it exists after the True Hand and the civil war between the Lasombra/free Tzimice probably is just Clan Panders absorbing all the antitribu of all Clans remaining. Joseph Panders probably is the most important Sabbat Kindred remaining and he's not about to throw away his precious adopted Childer, at least not without a good reason.

Originally Posted by Astromancer

The Sabbat hates this new world. So many of their best hunting grounds are all clean and shinny. The missing are easier to trace and the officials keep looking longer. As a group, the Sabbat is far less skilled at the Masquerade. After they've a basic objection to the very idea. Now they need to become brilliant at the Masquerade or be wiped out.