02-20-2019, 05:24 PM | #221 |
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Re: The Unoffial 2056 Vehicle Guide
Hard Target 2068 : Light Trike , Extra Heavy Chassis , Heavy Suspension , Medium Cycle Power Plant w/10pts Component Armour , 3 Motorcycle OR PR Tires , Cyclist w/SWC & 10pts Component Armour , MG Left w/20 Shots HD Ammo & 10pts Component Armour , Sloped Plastic Armour : F32 , L38 , R24 , B30 , T11 , U12 , 1-6pt CWG Front , 2-5pt Wheel Guards Back , Acceleration 5mph , Top Speed 90mph , HC 2 ( HC 2 Offroad ) , 1,800lbs , $7,359 .
From Spike Trikes . Road Brick Lt.Trike with some Offroad capability . Original mounted a HMG Left , but as loaded weight of HMG is an unresolved rules question , have gone for a HD MG instead . Easily upgradable & can be made fully Offroad with at low cost . Best to carry a PFE in case of incendiary attacks . -3 To Hit from Side & -4 from Front & Back makes it extremely hard to target - thus the name . Even at Point Blank Range VMGs & Lasers have been known to miss this design ! Backed up with extensive Component Armour , makes for an excellent defensive One Man Personal Transport - unlikely to start any Combats , but likely to survive or run away Offroad to fight another day if fight gose against it . A very popular vehicle for newer players to use in Road Combat Scenarios , as it's survivability makes for longer duels & better teaching examples . ( Drop 1pt of Armour & take a PFE for Div 7.5 . Probably won't win but might get or share a Mobility Kill . Really annoys Players with RL Cycles , as they can never seem to hit it ;-) ... )
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02-21-2019, 03:33 PM | #222 |
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Re: The Unoffial 2056 Vehicle Guide
What's "unresolved" about it? It's 350 lbs. -- 250 for the weapon proper; 20 5-lb. shots, for another 100 lbs.
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02-21-2019, 04:17 PM | #223 |
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1 - Well according to the Tables in the back of UACFH , HMGs loaded with Incendiary or Anti Personal Ammo weight 300lbs & those loaded with HD or Explosive Ammo weigh 400lbs . No announcement was made in ADQ or elsewhere of the change , so there's a good chance 'the change' to 250lbs unloaded weight was a typo .
2 - IF it has been changed , then that means that there are THREE repeat firing Weapons weighing 350lbs - RRs , Medium Lasers & HMGs , and NONE weighing 300lbs !!! Car Wars doesn't work like that . If you do an 'Average Damage vs Loaded Weight' Graph , then the 300lb HMG sits comfortably near the linear progression line - the 350lb HMG is way off 3 - Repeated requests to ADQ & Pyramid from the early '90's onwards were never replied to - thus no Official conformation OR clarification . 4 - Vehicles from both the Military Vehicle Guide & 'Recon in Force' scenario from Pyramid , seem to use BOTH weights for HMGs when back engineered ... With all this confusion & the general chaos around that time - crazy amounts of typos in products - our groups have applied 'The Rule of Logic' to the problem & gone with 300lbs loaded weight with Standard Ammo . We DO agree that the damage should be 2d-2 & these are the stats most British Car Wars Groups go with . The late 'Matt the Hatt's' typed out version of UACFH had many corrections in the text & this was one of them . We've never had many problems with this - it is frowned upon to mount too many HMGs in ongoing campaigns , as they can make road combats unbalanced . If Mister Jackson himself says "Oh yes it was a typo & we never caught it" or "Yes we DID change it & sorry we didn't clarify it for everyone" then I'll be happy either way . As one person who wrote much Car Wars stuff in early 1990's , couldn't read his own notes & wrote his '1s' and '2s' to be almost identical , I'd take many things with a pinch of salt , unless later confirmed ...
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02-22-2019, 02:17 PM | #224 | ||
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[QUOTE=Racer;2244611We've never had many problems with this - it is frowned upon to mount too many HMGs in ongoing campaigns , as they can make road combats unbalanced .[/quote] [shrug] It's never been a problem over here because no one ever uses HMGs; for the cost, weight, and space, one may as well use standbys like the RR or the VMG, with special ammo. (Heck, the ATG with sabot is essentially 5d6....)
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02-22-2019, 03:23 PM | #225 |
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Doesn't explain why BOTH weights are used in both the Military Vehicle Guide & Pyramid ? The ambiguity & lack of confirmation or clarification leaves the subject open & for almost 27 years various groups in the UK have used '300lbs' with no real problems . A gaming team in Canada who we have contact with via an Expat , also uses the 300lb figure . Think the may have posted on here at some point ?
Stats we use on the graph are '2d-2 & 300lbs' - both 350lbs & 2d-1are off the linear progression ( at 350lbs AND 2d-1 , it IS on the progression line though ... ) . A light vehicle using a single 300lb HMG or a Luxury using a linked pair are hardly game breaking , so many can see the logic of our argument ... Unresolved issues with propagated typos - like Steelbelting DPs & weight of Microplane Props - or illogical ambiguous stats or rules - like shots in a Mine Flinger Magazine and Duel Weapon Magazines - have been bugbears to the game for decades now . We need OFFICIAL Rulings or an online 'Living Rulebook' to finally quash these problems .
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02-23-2019, 02:28 PM | #226 | |
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02-24-2019, 04:44 PM | #227 |
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Someone on another thread mentioned "You never seem to see brick Light Cycles" ... thought I'd have a try :
Buckler C - Light Cycle , Heavy Suspension , Small Cycle Power Plant w/HTMs & 10pts Component Armour , 2 OR SBHD Tires , Cyclist w/10pts Component Armour , Fake MG Front , Plastic Armour : F16 , B20 , 2pt CWG Front , 3pt CWG Back , Acceleration 10mph - 15mph w/HTMs , Top Speed 120mph - 90mph w/HTMs , HC 2 - HC 1 Offroad , 800lbs , $2,320 . Fake MG is a pure bluff of course . A PFE can be carried & still cost under $2,500 - there always seems to be some pyromaniac trying to fry exposed Cycles with FTs or Flame Clouds . Cyclist is also protected from Burst Effects & with excellent Acceleration , this model can escape Offroad from any heavy combats . Cheap Defensive Cycle for Eastern Roads/quite towns & that can still feel safe in rougher areas . [ We use +33% DP for Steelbelting , so the SBHD Tires have 8 DP - Combat Garage uses +25% DP but best not to get into that discussion here ;-) ]
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02-25-2019, 03:38 AM | #228 | |
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(I have doubts whether a PFE should work on anything other than crew from inside crew component armour). Also define "Brick" in this case. I quite like the idea of a shepherding bike for gangs with a fake weapon, but I am not sure anyone is going to turn away from 1 MG, fake or otherwise) |
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02-25-2019, 04:03 AM | #229 |
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In this case I meant 'exposed' as in internals aren't covered by external Armour . Swordboy & Mr Chimpy are notorious for trying to set unprepared Cyclists on Fire with FCGS & HDFTs - regardless of Component Armour . One successful roll & Cycle won't stop burning , thus the sense in a PFE .
Yes I know a Fake MG isn't much , but easier to explain than a real one in New York in the 2060s ... Other Cyclists will often pick on any unarmed small vehicles , so protective camouflage etc . It's a very small target - -3 to hit F+B - with reasonable Cycle Armour , backed with Component Armour . Coupled with high Acceleration , all contribute to making this a survivor .
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02-25-2019, 10:42 AM | #230 |
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Re: The Unoffial 2056 Vehicle Guide
Survivor and Cyclist don't really fit well together. Better to buy an AR and take the bus instead ;)
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