11-14-2012, 07:15 PM | #41 |
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Re: Feint.
If your opponents are All-Out-Attacking every turn, why would you use Feint or Deceptive Attack at all?
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11-15-2012, 10:31 AM | #42 |
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Re: Feint.
That strikes me as odd, too. All-Out Attack isn't especially useful against an opponent who's good enough to think about Feint or Deceptive Attack, because such a rival will be able to defend well enough to negate it, at which point the fighter using All-Out Attack will be defenseless, allowing his enemy to dedicate that high skill level to a Rapid Strike or an attack on a high-value hit location. I think we're missing something here. The OP suggests that Third Edition differs from Fourth Edition in this regard, which it doesn't; the rules for Feint came almost verbatim from Third Edition. That leads me to believe that the perceived problem may stem from a misreading.
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11-15-2012, 10:53 AM | #43 |
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Re: Feint.
In fact, the standard counter to an AoA is to use Telegraphic Attack immediately.
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11-15-2012, 02:00 PM | #44 |
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Re: Feint.
I figured, but i couldn't resist the chance to poke fun at Google Translate
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11-15-2012, 02:52 PM | #45 | |
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Re: Feint.
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--- If you know your opponents are performing All-Out Attacks, hold off on striking them before they do, perform an All-Out Defense, and let them have it with an All-Out Determined, Telegraphed Mighty Blow to the Skull.
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11-15-2012, 03:01 PM | #46 | |
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Re: Feint.
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GM: Speed 6.50! You are being Feinted by the Rapier Jock; roll against your Broadsword skill. Player <rattle> I roll a 9, make by 5. GM <rattle> He rolled a 8, make by 8. Player Drat! My defenses are at -3. GM Speed 6! Player My defenses are toasted. All Out Attack! I expect the GM is playing it the same way when Players have the Skills to Feint Opponents. Too Much Information. Since they 'know' they have been successfully Feinted they make moves they would not normally make. Really the mechanics (IMHO) are fine. Just (short of a near critical failure) players/NPC's being Feinted should not be told/aware of that fact. GM should go with "A Dangerous attack High that missed, barely." or "Looks like he changed Grips." or or or. I am still boogled that they appear to know NPC skill levels. Usually after I have killed one I can fish GM's for whether MY estimate of their skill is spot on. I have bantered with my players on same topic...AFTER the subject is a mouldering corpse. Really short of a good session in the dojo or salon with a hour or more to compare skill blade to blade at best players should have a ball park idea of what opponent skill levels are...otherwise to much metagaming. IMHO.
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11-15-2012, 03:25 PM | #47 |
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Re: Feint.
It would be smarter if feint was rolled just before the actual attack.
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11-15-2012, 03:26 PM | #48 |
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Re: Feint.
We have always played that a feint is announced when the action takes place, but it is resolved just before the action that depends on it.
Player - Declare Feint Monster - Declare Attack - Resolve Attack Player - Declare Attack - Resolve Feint - Resolve Attack You do have to remember any penalties but if you each make a note for example (feint - 16) then it is easy to avoid.
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11-15-2012, 04:18 PM | #49 | |
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Re: Feint.
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11-15-2012, 04:29 PM | #50 | |
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Re: Feint.
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But as mentioned already, the defender shouldn't know he's been Feinted, except in the specific circumstance of a Beat (a ST-based "Feint"). |
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