05-08-2005, 01:38 AM | #11 | |
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Re: Cosmetic Shapeshifting Questions
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Mass conservation -20% Retains Shape -20% Cannot use innate Abilities/Advantages of Alternate Forms -10% So for only a -10% discount you cannot use the Acute senses of an Elf, the Water Breathing from a Merfolk etc.? I always thought that Mass conservation and Retains Shape are not included into Cosmic and therefore listet additionally. So why is there a combo limitation instead of the -10% Cannot use innate Abilities/Advantages of Alternate Forms?
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05-08-2005, 02:00 AM | #12 | |
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05-08-2005, 04:38 AM | #13 |
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Re: Cosmetic Shapeshifting Questions
So it DOES alter your weight?
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05-08-2005, 01:11 PM | #14 | ||
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-10% Can only Morph into a different member of the same Race. Quote:
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05-08-2005, 01:27 PM | #15 |
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Re: Cosmetic Shapeshifting Questions
Well, in my games, cosmetic would allow you to take any shape you wish, but while keeping the template. It would act, basically, as an illusion disguise that can not be breaked, and that does not require that you fit into it.
An example of that kind of morph would bee the pig-like character in dragon ball. He can look like an ogre to scare people, but he does not have the ogre's strength. |
05-09-2005, 01:38 AM | #16 | |
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05-09-2005, 07:28 AM | #17 |
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Re: Cosmetic Shapeshifting Questions
I'm a bit confused by the text, myself. Let's look at Morph. Suppose I want to create a character like those guys on the X-Files. Can take on the appearance of any normal human they've touched. Their mass apparently doesn't change.
Let me get it clear. The point cost, after that base of +100pts is a sort of pool you have to spend on temporary acquisition of that racial template. This is enhanced or limited in the normal way for powers. So, suppose that I just wanted to be able to look like any normal human. That'd be 12 points - for any Appearance up to "Handsome/Beautiful (+12pts)". That lets me go down to Ugly (-8 pts), too? Suppose I only want to be able to go down to Ugly, and not a good Appearance, I'm assuming that wouldn't have zero cost, yeah? I have to spend 8pts to be able to do negative stuff, too? Suppose I want to be able to look Skinny or Fat? Those are all negatives, I assume I have to pay points for them, too? So, anything up to Skinny or Very Fat, those are -5pts. So that brings the Shapeshifting Advantage to +113 pts (Appearance from Ugly to Handsome, Build from Skinny to Fat). Right so far? Now, what if I want to be able to change outward gender (I presume the advantage doesn't change you on a cellular level, it does say you pop back to normal form if you're knocked out or killed). I presume gender change is the Hemamphromorph advantage, yeah? +5 pts. So it's now, Shapeshifting (Appearance Ugly to Handsome, Build Skinny to Fat, Either gender), +118pts. Well, all I want to be able to do is to look like any other human. I don't care if I have their DX or something, I'm happy with my own. So I take the limitations Cosmetic (-50%), Mass Conservation (-20%) and Retains Shape (-20%). That exceeds the -80% maximum, so it's just -80% of limitations. So the +118pts cost becomes +24pts. Does this seem right? Again, what about if a person only wants to change to a form with weaker stats? Like, if you turn into a mouse then you have small Size, low ST, etc. You still have that minimum of 15pts, or 100pts? To me, those five columns look a bit like the Magic system does. It looks like it was a whole chapter originally, and our friend Dr Kromm condensed it down, so we could hear the magic words, "it'll be in Powers":)
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05-09-2005, 09:29 AM | #18 | |
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05-10-2005, 11:04 PM | #19 |
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Re: Cosmetic Shapeshifting Questions
Well now, if Cosmetic included Retains Shape and Mass Conservation, noone in his right mind would purchase the Cosmetic limitation, istead of going for those two... those few points do not matter. To get the same discount, he could slap on another limitation and be better off.
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07-09-2020, 07:18 PM | #20 |
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Re: Cosmetic Shapeshifting Questions
For the record, if you wanted cosmetic + SM change for a shapeshift, how would you do it? Seems like the way to go would be to use growth/shrink with of extra charge for shrink if you want to keep the same abilities, and to growth if you want to buff up. Then link shapeshift & growth/shrink for 10% more.
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