Help me With a My little Pony Templates..and maybe some other help.

[Disliker of the mary sue]

When I first bought gurps it was also the same time I was into my little pony friendship is magic. I not as much as into as I used to but I think there some interesting ideas that could be done in that world. So I wrote up a template, untested templates since I have never played gurps...trying to convince people to give it a shot but eh you know they think it too complex but that's another story.

Pony: advantageMagery 0 +5
Extra legs (4) +5

claws(hooves) +3
talent (represent cutie mark...might be a better way but I am bit new to the system) +5-15
Regeneration (regular) +25
disadvantage
no fine manipulators -30
horizontal -10
total: 3

Earth Pony Lens:
str+3 +30
ht+3 +30
very fit +15
total=+75

Pegasus lens:
dx+3 +60
Flight (winged) +22
Total= +82

Unicorn lens:
Striker(impale(limited arc) +5
magery+1 +10
int +3 +60
total=+75


Yeah like i said I am a total amateur, is there anything I am missing, anything that is probably unnecessary? I did not make an alicorn lens because well I probably would never allow anyone to play an alicorn (maybe let that be an goal of your character, but never at the start.)

Of course the main issues is well no hands tends to be a bit of massive disadvantage.I was thinking this campaign would be theoretically more combat focus so one has to figure out what weapons one can use without fine manipulators. I don't know I just putting this out here and asking for feedback on my attempt to make a template.

[David Johnston2]

Don't use No Fine Manipulators if you are trying to represent the cartoon characters because they don't have it. They can in fact handle objects fairly well with their forelimbs and mouths.

[McAllister]

1. I don't think No Fine Manipulators is appropriate. They make everything from clothing to cider, for crying out loud: regardless of the fact that all they have is hooves and mouths, they get by just fine.

2. Do Earth Ponies and Pegasi have any Magery at all? I think not, actually. So I'd remove Magery from the general template, remove one of the IQ points from Unicorns, and replace it with "Unusual Background: can use magic [20]".

3. Equal-value lenses, maybe I'm just OCD, but give Pegasi a little disadvantage or something to even them up. Also Winged Flight is 40 - 25%, so 30, right? So maybe Winged Flight [30], DX+1 [20], Basic Speed +1 [20] and Basic Move +1 [5]. They're less good at DX-based skills, but they're faster by a nice margin.

4. There are more disads that are absolutely appropriate, Pacifism (Cannot Kill) at the mare minimum.

5. Why Regeneration?

6. I'd say cutie marks are something like 40 points that can be spent freely, within the bounds of the setting. Rainbow Dash, for example, has Enhanced Move 2 (at least) as her cutie mark, right?. Fluttershy, I'm thinking Animal Empathy [5], Empathy [15], and Wild Talent 1 (Emergencies Only, Reliable 6) [20]: if she can't whip out an otherwise-untrained Intimidate check with +6 when she needs to, then I'm baffled about how that thing with the dragon worked.

How do those look? It's been awhile since I saw the show, so.

[David Johnston2]

Originally Posted by McAllister

6. I'd say cutie marks are something like 40 points that can be spent freely, within the bounds of the setting. Rainbow Dash, for example, has Enhanced Move 2 (at least) as her cutie mark, right?. Fluttershy, I'm thinking Animal Empathy [5], Empathy [15], and Wild Talent 1 (Emergencies Only, Reliable 6) [20]: if she can't whip out an otherwise-untrained Intimidate check with +6 when she needs to, then I'm baffled about how that thing with the dragon worked.

Yeah...all marks are not created equal. In fact there's not much point in putting them in a standard template. We've seen talents in "popping things", comic pratfalls, sleeping, knowing what time it is, humbling the powerful, addressing audiences, doing paperwork, sound system gadgeteering, gadgeteering in general, making plants grow, animal communication and control, making things pretty, being strong to lift a small house, singing and bowling. These are not all going to add up to the same point value.

[McAllister]

Originally Posted by David Johnston2

Yeah...all marks are not created equal. In fact there's not much point in putting them in a standard template. We've seen talents in "popping things", comic pratfalls, sleeping, knowing what time it is, humbling the powerful, addressing audiences, doing paperwork, sound system gadgeteering, gadgeteering in general, making plants grow, animal communication and control, making things pretty, being strong to lift a small house, singing and bowling. These are not all going to add up to the same point value.

Fortunate, isn't it, that the characters in a TV show don't need to have balanced power levels? But in an RPG, if you're using point values, it's either to have a balanced party, or to know how imbalanced it is. For PCs, a 40pt Cutie Mark should suffice to begin.

Also, in case it wasn't obvious, we're not mentioning Pinkie Pie in this thread. She'd eat her own character sheet, blast the GM dead in the face with a confetti cannon, and bounce away to wreak some other havoc. The RPG party is the only sort of party she has no place in.

[Disliker of the mary sue]

Originally Posted by McAllister

1. I don't think No Fine Manipulators is appropriate. They make everything from clothing to cider, for crying out loud: regardless of the fact that all they have is hooves and mouths, they get by just fine.

2. Do Earth Ponies and Pegasi have any Magery at all? I think not, actually. So I'd remove Magery from the general template, remove one of the IQ points from Unicorns, and replace it with "Unusual Background: can use magic [20]".

3. Equal-value lenses, maybe I'm just OCD, but give Pegasi a little disadvantage or something to even them up. Also Winged Flight is 40 - 25%, so 30, right? So maybe Winged Flight [30], DX+1 [20], Basic Speed +1 [20] and Basic Move +1 [5]. They're less good at DX-based skills, but they're faster by a nice margin.

4. There are more disads that are absolutely appropriate, Pacifism (Cannot Kill) at the mare minimum.

5. Why Regeneration?

6. I'd say cutie marks are something like 40 points that can be spent freely, within the bounds of the setting. Rainbow Dash, for example, has Enhanced Move 2 (at least) as her cutie mark, right?. Fluttershy, I'm thinking Animal Empathy [5], Empathy [15], and Wild Talent 1 (Emergencies Only, Reliable 6) [20]: if she can't whip out an otherwise-untrained Intimidate check with +6 when she needs to, then I'm baffled about how that thing with the dragon worked.

How do those look? It's been awhile since I saw the show, so.

1. Yeah perhaps...it just some weird part of me says using a weapon in the mouth would break teeth...

2. I'd argue that they have at least magery 0, they are inherently magical creatures but only unicorns can focus it. I heard theories that the reason pegsus can fly with small wings is because of magic.

3. perhaps, though the abilty to fly seems like a game changer enough to be expensive but again I don't know how gurps plays in practice.

4.yeah I thought about pacifism...it just for player charecters I assume they don't have that by default.

5. I was trying to represent the sort of difficulty to get hurt by pianos falling on them. Might not be the right advantage

6. that is an idea about cutie marks, though in the show they can be taken away and when they are they have no ability to do anything well.

[McAllister]

Originally Posted by Disliker of the mary sue

1. Yeah perhaps...it just some weird part of me says using a weapon in the mouth would break teeth...

I'm finding a few pictures where ponies are portrayed holding spears with their hooves. http://mlp.wikia.com/wiki/Royal_guards, for example. So probably best just to let their hooves act like hands whenever they want them to.

2. I'd argue that they have at least magery 0, they are inherently magical creatures but only unicorns can focus it. I heard theories that the reason pegsus can fly with small wings is because of magic.

There's a difference between things that are bound by all the laws of physics, and things that are spellcasters. Ponies can have some supernatural Advantages without needing Magery. That's how I'd play it.

3. perhaps, though the abilty to fly seems like a game changer enough to be expensive but again I don't know how gurps plays in practice.

It probably changes some games more than others, but I'd leave it at the price GURPS puts it at unless playtesting reveals that all or no players play Pegasi.

But what skill is weather manipulation by physically moving clouds around... I'm thinking there are skills that exist in Equestria that just don't make sense in general GURPS.

5. I was trying to represent the sort of difficulty to get hurt by pianos falling on them. Might not be the right advantage

Uhhh... dropping a 1,000lb piano on someone from 15 yards up deals 7d crushing damage, which is ~24 damage, which, if you have 10 HP and 10 HT, has a 50-50 chance of killing you instantly. And that's assuming it doesn't impact against the skull, if it hits you in the skull first, 88 damage will end your freaking life. I have no idea how to make PCs that can shrug off a piano but are scared of angry wolves attacking them (as an example of something pony PCs should be afraid of).

So, my advice is to have a subset of damage called comical damage, done by things like pianos and boxing-gloves-on-sticks and whatnot. Compare it to HT to see if it stuns someone or knocks them out, double it to see what kind of knockback/knockdown it inflicts, and then ignore any actual HP loss (including any collisions that result from the knockback).

Now, giving all the PCs a bit of Regeneration because natural healing takes way too long and you want them to wake up with all their HP every morning, that might be a good idea. But if you're using the RAW for pianos, they kill people. As well they should!

6. that is an idea about cutie marks, though in the show they can be taken away and when they are they have no ability to do anything well.

I never saw that happen in the show. If specific magic can take them away but this power is inherent and most people can't use it, then anything you get from a cutie mark should get a -5% discount based on the off chance it gets disabled: if it's some sort of gadget that anyone could use, it's -10%. This is from Powers, btw: if you don't have the book, take my word for that bit.

This is fun, I hope it's helpful.

[RyanW]

Pegasus flight is somewhere between Winged and Small Wings. They don't really suffer the problems of huge wings that really get in the way, but a crippled wing will ground them completely until healed. I might call it a -20% limitation.

[Disliker of the mary sue]

Originally Posted by McAllister

I never saw that happen in the show. If specific magic can take them away but this power is inherent and most people can't use it, then anything you get from a cutie mark should get a -5% discount based on the off chance it gets disabled: if it's some sort of gadget that anyone could use, it's -10%. This is from Powers, btw: if you don't have the book, take my word for that bit.

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It happened on the season 4 opening where one pony figured out a spell to rip cutie marks off ponies and store them some place. Preety much a lead a bit of a cult.

But yeah without there cutie marks the mane six basically lost all talents, Twilight could barely do magic beyond the basics, Applejack massive kicking strength was lessen, Rarity lost her ability to know if something was ahethically pleasing, and Fluttershy lost her animal empathy...basically ponies are really crippled without a cutie mark.

It was also tken in the a season finally where one villain took all of the magic of ponies., suggesting it is a magical thing...which was my justification for magery zero...I thought that meant you have magic within you just have no method to use it.

[Cthugha]

Magery is the ability to cast spells. If some abilities may be suppressed (by anti-magic which will be useless against non-magical creature) you do not pay _extra_ points for Magery, you pay _less_ points for abilities (because cutie marks are not suppressed naturally, only by intentional use of abilities, the discount is 5%, so actual cost savings is negligible, but still you do not pay extra points to be more vulnerable than someone who did not pay extra).

And a small correction - villain was in S4 ending, pony who removed cutie marks was in S5 opening.