11-08-2013, 12:49 PM | #21 | |
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Re: 4 swings?
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If you have Ambidexterity, two weapons, and want three attacks, you can do it with All-Out Attack (Double), but you'll attack at -4/-4 (the Dual-Weapon Attack, so that's -4 on one hand and -4 on the other) and once at -0 with either of them (or some other strike if you choose). Someone who bought off the DWA penalty with the Dual-Weapon Attack technique could potentially attack 3 times at -0/-0 and -0, using one weapon twice during an All-Out Attack.
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11-08-2013, 01:10 PM | #22 |
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Re: 4 swings?
Such a person could DWA with the knives and then use the Extra Attack to kick or bite.
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11-08-2013, 01:30 PM | #23 | |
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Re: 4 swings?
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JTSmith: also investigate Main-Gauche skill.
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11-08-2013, 02:13 PM | #24 |
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Re: 4 swings?
From what I'm reading in the books it almost sounds like, regardless of how it happens, if both hands are attacking in the same turn those hands are at a -4 (with ambidexterity). This leaves AoA Double to allow a second main hand attack at -0 ...
AoA Double maneuver: 1) Mainhand -4 2) Offhand -4 (+4 for ambidexterity) granted by Extra Attack 3) Mainhand -0 (Concluding AoA Double maneuver) From the reading I've been doing and the responses I've seen, THIS seems to be correct. Any thoughts? |
11-08-2013, 02:20 PM | #25 | |
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Re: 4 swings?
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The only thing likely to require a -4 penalty to both hands like that is a Dual Weapon Attack. That penalty is specific to a Dual Weapon Attack and in no way applies if you do not make use of the Dual Weapon Attach mechanic. EDIT: I'd note that unless you have Extra Attack, Dual Weapon Attack is usually the only way you would make a two-weapon attack. You might be allowed to with a Rapid Strike or AoA (Double) but there's almost never a reason to.
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11-08-2013, 02:29 PM | #26 | |
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Re: 4 swings?
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Attacking with both hands at once merits a -4 to each, right? Regardless of how it's done? |
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11-08-2013, 02:33 PM | #27 |
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Location: Oregon
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Re: 4 swings?
No. Attacking with both hands is only -4 if you're doing it via Dual Weapon Attack. If it's from Extra Attack or All-Out Attack, there's no penalty (apart from an off-hand penalty, if you lack Ambidexterity or Off-Hand Weapon Training).
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11-08-2013, 02:34 PM | #28 |
Join Date: Jul 2008
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Re: 4 swings?
No it does not. Again, I don't know where you're getting this idea.
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11-08-2013, 02:44 PM | #29 |
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Re: 4 swings?
"Normally, you are at -4 to attack with two weapons at once unless you make an All-Out Attack. This technique lets you “buy off” that penalty. (Note that you must still learn Off-Hand Weapon Training, p. 232, to reduce the -4 for using the “off” hand!) For detailed rules, see Dual-Weapon Attacks (p. 417)." P.230
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11-08-2013, 02:45 PM | #30 |
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: The Dalles, OR
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Re: 4 swings?
Oh you know what ... ignore me. I just read my own dang quote and saw "unless you make an All-out Attack". *sigh* ... carry on, nothing to see here.
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