01-13-2019, 10:22 PM | #1 |
Join Date: Aug 2018
|
Diffuse/Shadow Form and cover DR.
Page 408's rules for Overpenetration include contributions to cover DR:
HP (for flesh) 1/2 HP (for a machine, vehicle, or other Unliving target) 1/4 HP (for a Homogenous object) This is a realistic-sounding tradeoff because Unliving targets take ~1/2 from piercing/impaling while Homogenous takes ~1/4 from piercing/impaling. These (and other) physical attacks do half damage to someone with Shadow Form, and even less (if non-AE) to someone who's Diffuse. Do they still have full HP toward their cover DR in spite of that? Body of Air (20 HP) requires 21+ damage to hit someone behind you even though you only suffer a maximum of 2? Last edited by Plane; 01-13-2019 at 10:29 PM. |
01-14-2019, 04:46 AM | #3 |
Join Date: Nov 2015
|
Re: Diffuse/Shadow Form and cover DR.
While I can't find a relevant rule, I would assume a diffuse body would not offer much protection to those behind it
|
01-14-2019, 08:57 AM | #4 |
Join Date: Aug 2018
|
Re: Diffuse/Shadow Form and cover DR.
I assume Insubstantiality normally wouldn't provide cover DR, but since they do take damage (same as Shadow Form) from attacks with the Illusory Form limitation (Fantasy 128 says Illusionary Form) I'm wondering if creatures like the Faerie (Fantasy 108) could provide Cover DR.
Powers 53 has the "Swarm" modifier for Diffuse where only Area/Cone/Explosions can injure you. It says after "Otherwise, treat this state as Insubstantiality" so maybe that means it doesn't provide cover DR except possibly against ACE attacks which can injure them? If that's the case, instead of full HP, would it be fair to say that it only provides cover in proportion to blanketed area? Like they take 5% damage if spread over 20 hexes, so should their cover DR basically just be 5% of their HP? |
01-14-2019, 11:17 PM | #5 |
Join Date: Nov 2016
|
Re: Diffuse/Shadow Form and cover DR.
Are you wondering if taking cover behind a diffuse object (body of air, shadows, etc.) gives you "very good passive DR"? If you meant that, I wouldn’t agree.
IMO, using diffuse objects as passive cover to attain DR is not reliable, unless it features DR compatible with its “pseudo-physical-form” (i.e. a force field). For example, “body of bees” provides a creature with a body which is harder to injure; the creature may parry or block the attack using a sacrificial parry or block maneuver to help you (but that is all). If you stand in the trajectory of a punch, the bees shall spread around it, and you will get hurt. The same goes for a body of (diffuse) shadows, flames, water, etc. If the damage was enough to injure the diffuse creature, it might as well hurt both of you. Maybe, I could allow the diffuse object to absorb damage when the attack is based on its counter-element (i.e. water attack against fire body, vacuum attack against air, light attack against shadows, etc.). Thus taking into play your idea of providing a certain amount of DR. And finally, if the body of shadows was not diffuse (& not against light-based attacks), I would split half of the damage between the shadow-form creature and the guy covered by the shadow-form creature.
__________________
- 画龍点睛。Hide。 |
01-15-2019, 01:55 AM | #6 | |
Join Date: Aug 2018
|
Re: Diffuse/Shadow Form and cover DR.
Quote:
|
|
01-15-2019, 11:21 AM | #7 | |
Join Date: Nov 2016
|
Re: Diffuse/Shadow Form and cover DR.
Quote:
On second thought, a diffuse target could (maybe, at most) give you 2 HP of “cover DR”, provided that’s the amount of damage a diffuse target can receive (i.e. absorb) from non area-effect-cone-explosion attacks. Here I am stretching the "Injury to Unliving, Homogenous, and Diffuse Targets" from RAW 380. My exception would be shadow-form (non-diffuse), because IMO that’s a physical creature with a “proto-injury modifier”. It is a thin layer of cover DR providing you with half flesh HP for the matter of calculating over-penetration and it can absorb up to half the original damage.
__________________
- 画龍点睛。Hide。 Last edited by Hide; 01-15-2019 at 11:28 AM. |
|
01-15-2019, 11:45 AM | #8 | |
Join Date: Aug 2018
|
Re: Diffuse/Shadow Form and cover DR.
Quote:
IT:Homogenous is used for Body of Ice/Metal/Stone so they would get 1/4 their HP as cover DR. It feels like maybe Earth/Water should come ahead of Fire/Air in terms of stopping power but I'm not sure how to justify it. |
|
01-15-2019, 02:21 PM | #9 | |
Join Date: Nov 2016
|
Re: Diffuse/Shadow Form and cover DR.
Quote:
In other words, a creature made of air/fire has 10 HP (not 20), and this is a compensation for lacking ST. On the other hand, bodies of earth/water lack +10 HP, because these meta-traits do not have -10 ST. Body of earth (meta-trait) features 2 DR, so it could add to the 2 HP of damage a diffuse creature can take as per RAW 380. I would say a human sized body of air, is not enough to impede your actions (as in my previous paragraph) and does not provide cover DR because it is not “hard enough” (not flesh, metal, stone, etc.). The creature itself could defend you with a maneuver, but not passively. It could also provide you with its diffuse property if it had “affects others”. The injury modifiers only apply to injury against the bodies provided with them; it means the body of a creature made of a diffuse element won’t have diffuse cover DR (because it does not exist, AFAIK). If the creature is made of an element which has a cover DR score (ice, metal, stone, etc.), then cover DR might apply. If diffuse passive cover could provide cover DR, then it would be a big issue fighting in our atmosphere (because we are surrounded by a very large body air), under the rain, etc. You could argue you cannot strike properly while inside water, sand, mud, etc. but that’s another situation, because here, you are surrounded by the element in enough amount to impede most of your actions (also consider size modifier, i.e. pool of water). A GURPS 3e book, Trans-human Space: Under Pressure (p.53), elaborates on underwater combat; damage is reduced to 1/3, 1/2 or 2/3 depending on the melee attack. But that’s another dynamic.
__________________
- 画龍点睛。Hide。 Last edited by Hide; 01-15-2019 at 02:25 PM. |
|
01-15-2019, 11:48 PM | #10 | ||||
Join Date: Aug 2018
|
Re: Diffuse/Shadow Form and cover DR.
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
The issue might be that HP doesn't apply toward it though, which sounds sad for the Air/Water elementals. We know water can slow down bullets and I would figure that someone throwing a fireball through a water elemental at you should diminish it at least by 1. |
||||
|
|