10-02-2018, 06:22 AM | #41 | |
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I would also say that while a person who refuses to read a newspaper, or to invest in it, or to advertise in it, is not engaged in censorship, a person who smashes up its offices, or threatens its reporters, or bombs it, IS engaged in the forcible suppression of opposing speech, and not calling that "censorship" is a bit of a technicality, like not calling Mafia protection money "taxes." My take on supers is that the more powerful ones are in effect one-person armies or states, and stories about them offer analogies to the behavior of governments or political movements. And I think that's the intent of the OP here.
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10-02-2018, 06:48 AM | #42 |
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10-02-2018, 11:27 AM | #43 | |
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The metahuman healer here is a (very polite) revolutionary trying to overthrow what they see as an unjust state. And assuming they win that is not enslavement nor preventing anybody from hiring private health care. It's just ensuring a level of government provided care for all. You would have to be Frederich Hayek to call that a step on the road to slavery.
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10-02-2018, 11:43 AM | #44 | |
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But the proposal to adopt that approach was made in the context of a question about revolutionary supers. Revolution is a process of changing society as a whole, and imposing the change on everyone, often through the power of the state, though there are revolutionaries who want to destroy the state. Revolutionary supers would be those who used their powers to do this (like the Authority, or Miracleman, or V); or, more broadly, supers using their powers to do individually what revolutionary movements do collectively. The proposal for a miraculous healer was advanced in that context, so I took it as intended not just as one person's choice, but as a model for the policy of a revolutionary regime. Though even as a purely personal choice I find "I'm not going to perform the service of providing you with health care unless you accept my political agenda" unspeakably vile. If I had superhuman powers, on a cosmic scale, and used them to strip governments of their coercive powers, I could argue that this was defending individual freedom of choice, but that too would be something I would be imposing on everyone, based on my personal theories as to when force is justified. And it's probably just as well that I don't; I might start out as Tom Bombadil and end up as the new dark lord. But tell me, if I did that, would you say, "Oh, he's not a government, and he's not using force against anyone except in the defense of other people's freedom, so that doesn't count as acts of war"? Because I don't think many governments would view it that way.
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10-02-2018, 11:50 AM | #45 |
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Many revolutionary supers will probably start out with good intentions, but the application of their power will corrupt them because they will exceed the limits imposed by society. For example, imagine a super who can turn people into stone in the manner of a medusa. The afflicted individuals are not dead, they are just in a form of suspended animation, but they are trapped until someone frees them. Since it does not involve murder though, it becomes more acceptable for a 'hero' to do, so a 'hero' may use her powers to inhibit the people that she disagrees with. Imagine such a 'hero' petrifying elected officials, appointed judges, etc. until the world starts to reflect her ideals.
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10-02-2018, 11:58 AM | #46 | |
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10-02-2018, 11:58 AM | #47 |
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Supers who use their powers to primarily serve one cause or who habitually target a specific type of crime or primarily protect one demographic could be seen as revolutionary. Though that brings up one of the reason vigilantism is seen as a crime and not a public service: it often is anything but balanced.
Some super powers have strong economic potential. One form of revolution would be to build a new nation somewhere (depths of the jungle, bottom of the sea, in space, at the north pole) and try to establish it as a utopia, or at least better than the previous society.
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10-02-2018, 12:24 PM | #48 |
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As I understood the proposition, it was, "I'm going to cure this disease that's killing you. But if you go against my political ideas, I'm going to take away the cure." That looks like a threat of death to me.
And you know, we say "bribery" when it's addressed to a political official, but not when it's addressed to an ordinary citizen; that usage is semantically odd.
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10-02-2018, 01:05 PM | #50 | |
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But, you know, I still think that "I made this fatal illness go away, but if you don't take the position I want, I'll bring it back" sounds like a threat of death; it goes beyond simple bribery. I think a contract law judge would probably go for calling it duress, at the very least. At a certain point, it's time to say, "I'm a doctor, not an extortionist."
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