03-29-2023, 10:50 AM | #21 | |
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I think its already canonical that some very short blades fixed to the hand, such as a ring of keys or a bagh nakh, use Brawling skill. I don't know of any pre-20th-century martial art which presents boxing and knife fighting or knife defense as intimately linked the way most of them present knife defense and grappling and throws as intimately linked.
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03-29-2023, 11:13 AM | #22 | |
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In the description of how defensive grip works for one-handed weapons, it also says "Treat the weapon as two-handed for all purposes." Based on that would someone using a dagger or short sword in a defensive grip also have to use two-handed sword skill at default from DX, since those skills don't have a default to two-handed sword? |
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03-29-2023, 12:50 PM | #23 | |
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Per GURPS MA, Defensive Grip with a Longsword or any other weapon with a two-handed entry on the Weapons Table is one hand on the blade near the point, one hand on the handle. If both hands are on the handle, use the stats for that from the Weapons Table. Defensive Grip with a Broadsword and any other weapon with only one-handed entries is both hands on the handle (or one hand supporting the other hand). There are no stats for this on the Weapons Table so they are based on the one-handed entry.
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03-29-2023, 12:58 PM | #24 |
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Re: Katana in defensive grip
Choking up the grip is a terminology most commonly used in baseball.
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The fact that you can use a defensive grip on a short sword, knife, or even a broadsword with a skill usually used one-handed, without defaulting to a different, two-handed skill is the point I was making. It doesn't make sense that a character with broadsword skill has to use two-handed sword skill when using a bastard sword in a defensive grip. The reasonable conclusion is that the use of defensive grip is unconnected to the skill used. |
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03-29-2023, 08:26 PM | #26 | |
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You want a freebie? Having a Default from Broadsword _was_ the freebie. Otherwise the usual Gurps rule of "You get what you pay for and you don't get what you don't pay for." holds true.
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03-29-2023, 09:32 PM | #27 | |
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I’m not seeing why using broadsword skill for defensive grip on a bastard sword is ‘getting a freebie.’ Defensive grip is an option that can be used with any melee weapon skill, and a bastard sword can be used with broadsword skill. It seems to me that not allowing a defensive grip using broadsword skill is more like not getting something you did pay for. The rules in question describe the effects of using a defensive grip for one- and two-handed weapons, and note that weapons than can be used with one or two hands are treated as two-handed “for this purpose.” There is no mention of the skills to be used in the entire section. It is a perfectly reasonable reading of “for this purpose,” to refer just to the rules that were laid out in the previous paragraphs. Especially since the paragraph about one-handed weapons says to, “Treat the weapon as two-handed for all purposes,” and no one is arguing that you need a two-handed weapon skill to use one-handed weapons in a defensive grip. |
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03-29-2023, 09:46 PM | #28 | |
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03-30-2023, 04:53 AM | #29 | |
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Otherwise, how do you account for the ability to use a defensive grip on a broadsword or cavalry saber using broadsword skill, but not on a bastard sword? |
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03-30-2023, 05:58 AM | #30 | |
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This does introduce a problem in that, IIRC, there are specific notes of how a Defensive Grip lets you Parry flails and the like when using a fencing weapon, but there is no two-handed fencing skill (at least not as of Martial Arts; I think one of the Fantasy Tech volumes had a Katana skill that was Parry 0F and could be used one- and two-handed, for use with a specific Ethnic Cool version of the katana, and I believe the Zweihander in the same volume was a Parry 0F two-handed sword, although I forget if it had a specific fencing two-handed skill or if it just let you use Two-Handed Sword). I feel that part of the rules could use some clarification...
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