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Old 02-22-2011, 08:28 AM   #51
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Default Re: Overkill on a Mozambique drill

This is the way I read it.
A (1hp) Turn 1: Do Nothing (or any other maneuver)
B Turn 1: Attack A who doesn't defend or fails his defense roll, does 2hp dmg

A (-1hp) Turn 2: Makes a HT roll for going below 0hp and succeeds, remains conscious. Continues to Do Nothing
B Turn 2: Attacks A, does 2hp dmg

A (-3hp) Turn 3: Doesn't make a HT roll, remains conscious. Do Nothing
B Turn 3: Attacks A, B succeeds with his dodge

A (-3hp) Turn 4: Makes a HT roll and fails, falls unconscious.
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Old 02-22-2011, 10:03 PM   #52
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I beleive this overlooks the overlapping/continuous nature of gurps Turns.
I'd say "at the start of your next turn" covers that; the HT roll doesn't happen during "this" turn(which, as you say, is still going).
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Old 02-22-2011, 11:35 PM   #53
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The assumption might be that the cuffs came before the shooting. It happens that wau someplaces though the worst I can remember in the US reecently is people being tased after they have been cuffed.
Oscar Grant springs to mind, although that is an isolated incident, and the officer involved is currently jailed.
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Old 02-23-2011, 12:08 AM   #54
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In Iceland, handcuffing a seriously wounded or dying person would probably result in extremely bad publicity.

Of course, we are a very pacifistic country. Even so, it's something to keep in mind. It's not always 'okay' to cuff people 'just in case'.
I was at work when I thought to ask if your comment is personal opinion or if you know some local LEOs? It would be interesting to know if they deal with things differently.

I used to hang out with some LLEO but got tired of their R&R/HA lifestyle - soapstone just made me sober which seemed a waste after all that expensive liquid intake... Not that I'd called them exemplar and the new force is much improved - I've actually seen female officers who don't have waistlines greater than their height; heck, even saw a foot patrol of three going by my estate last quarter.
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Old 02-23-2011, 12:22 AM   #55
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I was at work when I thought to ask if your comment is personal opinion or if you know some local LEOs? It would be interesting to know if they deal with things differently.
My best friend is a patrol officer.

I know that even the suggestion that a suspect might have sprained or broken an arm while being arrested resulted in cold sweats for the arresting officers.

If someone ever died while handcuffed and it was even remotely possible to suggest that his chances might have been reduced because someone took the time to handcuff him before giving first aid (and/or might have harmed him by moving him to do so), I suspect that the police would suffer massively for it.
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Old 02-23-2011, 12:28 AM   #56
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I know that even the suggestion that a suspect might have sprained or broken an arm while being arrested resulted in cold sweats for the arresting officers.
Bear in mind that we are talking about handcuffing someone who it previously seemed reasonable to shoot.
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Old 02-23-2011, 01:02 AM   #57
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SeemED. The whole point of shooting was to change that.
Also, I would like to remind that not all countries even supply their patrols with lethal firearms at all. Just saying this to show a counter-example.
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Old 02-23-2011, 01:14 AM   #58
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Bear in mind that we are talking about handcuffing someone who it previously seemed reasonable to shoot.
Yes.

But as soon as said person has been disabled, that stops being relevant. At law, certainly, and in the public opinion here most probably.
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Old 02-23-2011, 01:19 AM   #59
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Iceland is a country that has less than 100 murders a year, where the population is that of a large city in another country, and I suspect cops don't get killed pretty much ever. The situation in Washington DC or Los Angeles is radically different, to say nothing of how it works in Johannesburg or Bogata.
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Old 02-23-2011, 02:09 AM   #60
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Iceland is a country that has less than 100 murders a year, where the population is that of a large city in another country, and I suspect cops don't get killed pretty much ever. The situation in Washington DC or Los Angeles is radically different, to say nothing of how it works in Johannesburg or Bogata.
We have around one murder per year, yeah.
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