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Old 12-31-2018, 12:47 PM   #1
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Default DR versus different types of damage and follow up

If a PC has DR 10 versus cutting as well as DR 1 versus everything and is hit by 10 points of damage attack with a 1 point of damage burning follow up.

Does the attack do damage because the DR 1 is subtracted first?

Or is the DR 1 subtracted last and the attack does the point of damage?
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Old 12-31-2018, 01:43 PM   #2
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Default Re: DR versus different types of damage and follow up

There is no order issue. Follow up ignores DR if all applicable DR is penetrated by the primary attack.
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Old 12-31-2018, 02:02 PM   #3
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Default Re: DR versus different types of damage and follow up

In this scenario, the Follow-Up does nothing, as the Cutting attack failed to pass DR, and the 1 point of DR vs everything stops a 1-point Follow-Up. Had the Cutting attack dealt 11 damage, the Follow-Up would ignore DR entirely. Likewise, if the Follow-Up did 2 damage and the Cut did 10, the Burn would deal with the 1 DR vs everything and 1 damage would get through to HP.
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Old 12-31-2018, 09:27 PM   #4
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In this scenario, the Follow-Up does nothing, as the Cutting attack failed to pass DR, and the 1 point of DR vs everything stops a 1-point Follow-Up. Had the Cutting attack dealt 11 damage, the Follow-Up would ignore DR entirely. Likewise, if the Follow-Up did 2 damage and the Cut did 10, the Burn would deal with the 1 DR vs everything and 1 damage would get through to HP.
I think it depends on what order you specify your DR is layered in. If you have the "1 v everything" on the outside, it would help protect against the initial cutting attack like a collective DR 11, which would stop the cut and prevent the followup.

The downside to this is 1 v everything is more valuable, so if you have it on the outside it will be the first thing you lose to a Corrosive Attack.
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Old 12-31-2018, 11:13 PM   #5
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I think it depends on what order you specify your DR is layered in. If you have the "1 v everything" on the outside, it would help protect against the initial cutting attack like a collective DR 11, which would stop the cut and prevent the followup.
Is it DR 1 + DR 10 (Cutting Only) or DR 1 + DR 9 (Cutting Only)?

If DR 1+9, than 11 points cutting would penetrate and the burning would bypass DR, regardless of order.
If DR 1+10, than 11 points cutting would not penetrate and the burning would be stopped by DR, regardless of order.
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Old 01-01-2019, 12:11 AM   #6
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Default Re: DR versus different types of damage and follow up

Iachimba said "DR 10 versus cutting as well as DR 1 versus everything" so the total against cutting would be 11, since he said "everything" (which would include cutting) instead of "everything else" (which would exclude cutting)

The question is if it is presented as 10+1 or 1+10. Which is the "outermost".

Having your better more-inculsive DR on the outside is generally better, except when it comes to losing it first to Corrosive Attacks, or maybe hurting people punching you who you'd rather not hurt.
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Old 01-01-2019, 01:31 AM   #7
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Its magic.

So the PC has everyday regular armour as well as magic protection against crushing damage.

There seems to be no written rule that says DR versus a specific type of damage is hit first vs just normal DR being hit first.

The outer layer rules are written, but is magic an outer layer or an internal layer.

That's a pretty big difference with crushing-followup attacks
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Old 01-01-2019, 01:36 AM   #8
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Default Re: DR versus different types of damage and follow up

In general, innate DR without the force field advantage should be assumed to be underneath other armor. However, this doesn't matter for follow up, because follow-up does not care about armor layers, it just triggers on whether the attack 'penetrates the target's DR', and that means penetrates all layers.
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Old 01-01-2019, 02:28 AM   #9
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Where it matters is that if you don't penetrate DR, Follow-Up triggers on the outside like a separate attack affected normally by DR.

So if you had DR 2 (Piercing Only) and DR 5 (Burning Only)...

3 piercing damage w/ 10 followup Burning damage ends up inflicting 1 piercing and 10 burning. The DR 5 does not apply because it was bypassed by the piercing attack.

1 piercing w/ 10 followup burning on the other hand, does 0 piercing and 5 burning, because since DR wasn't pierced, the followup is affected by the external DR.
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Old 01-01-2019, 01:51 PM   #10
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In general, innate DR without the force field advantage should be assumed to be underneath other armor. However, this doesn't matter for follow up, because follow-up does not care about armor layers, it just triggers on whether the attack 'penetrates the target's DR', and that means penetrates all layers.
It does matter. Have you actually read this thread?

If the crushing is the outer layer then the attack will do no damage. If its the interior layer then the attack does actual damage.
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