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Re: [RPM] Ritual Question: Create Working Dog
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Of course, Lesser Control Mind would still be useful for a trained dog, as I would have it give you greater control over its actions (you don't need to use a visual or verbal command, for example). One issue that can crop up with RPM is an inclination to try to figure out a way to do entirely too much with a single Path, and Path of Chance lends itself to this better than just about any other (aside from Nonexistence, but that should be a rare Path in most settings, and is incredibly dangerous).
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Edit: The GM could change this for a setting. For example, in MH summoning demons is easy, but controlling them is hard. They want to be summoned, but not controlled.
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02-23-2020, 06:59 AM | #13 |
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Re: [RPM] Ritual Question: Create Working Dog
Conjured animals are explicitly required to be given Lesser Create Mind (RPM, p. 12). In addition, there is no mention of Ally (with or without Minion) in RPM, so one would presumably need to use Lesser Create Mind to implant loyalties (I would rule that the added energy cost would be equal to the creations CP value as an Ally).
Alternatively, we could just add two additional type of effects: Summon and Banish. Summon would cost a base 6 energy and would cost an additional amount equal to the Ally value of the entity while Banish would cost the same amount. Lesser effects would impel normal movement while greater effects would cause portals to the home of the individual. A summoned entity is considered a normal Ally of the equivalent value to the extra energy spent using Summon. |
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This brings up a question: What is the range on this mental control? 10 yards? Within sight? 5 light years? Twelve planes down? |
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02-23-2020, 11:58 AM | #15 |
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Re: [RPM] Ritual Question: Create Working Dog
I would generally limit the range to the range purchased by the working.
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Re: [RPM] Ritual Question: Create Working Dog
Ok, sorry I didn't respond sooner to this, but I had to think a couple of things through as this could have consequences to the magical cosmology of the campaign.
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So, separating out each piece with the modifiers pertinent to that piece, we have: (creating the physical body) Greater Create Body (6) + Subject Weight: 100 lbs. (2) (create the mind to run the body with the necessary training) Lesser Create Mind (6) + Lesser Create Mind: Training (6) (creation obeys the caster, retains initiative when allowed, and the caster can relay commands mentally within 15 yards) Lesser Control Mind (5) + Range: 15 yards (5) Duration: 1 day (7) Cost: 111 energy What do you think? Does it make sense the way I explained. it? There might be ways to make it a little less complex, a little cheaper, and give the caster the opportunity to beef it up a bit, but I'd like to make sure this isn't wrong. Yes, I know, Rule Zero, but GMs make mistakes... sometimes... though very rarely... and they rarely have an impact on the campaign. |
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You keep telling me that, and yet I keep putting it in there. I promise it's not because I'm not listening to you. That last bit was a combination of thoughts that I really should have separated and explained. The reason for the Training was not for the dogs skills, but for the command structure per Animal Training Basic p. 458, in this case when the creation was outside of the 15 yard mental command range that I had included within the spell... that you say isn't needed either. If I can include the training as far as skills, I guess I can easily include the training as far as commands. Thanks for this. |
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02-24-2020, 03:42 PM | #19 |
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Re: [RPM] Ritual Question: Create Working Dog
Ok. No worries.
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