04-25-2017, 04:24 PM | #1 |
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Minor Tweeks to Grappling Rules
I was wondering what everyone thought about three tweaks to the grappling rules in basic and MA that I am considering. I do have technical grappling and would like to use it, but I have a campaign with 6 newish players and it would be too confusing and bog things down. That said, some of the stuff in Technical Grappling, like limb grapples affecting the whole body at 1/2 and cp being useful for targeting hit locations with strikes would be very useful. This is a LT Monster Hunters game and increased ability to hit things like the heart or eyes will be very useful. So here are my three house rules:
1) Grappling any hit location penalizes DX by -4 for that location and -2 for every other location. 2) Once a target is grappled, penalties to target any hit location with a strike are halved, round up (as per penalties to grapple hit locations). 3) Institute the Pass Limb rule on pg 24-25 of Technical Grappling except that instead of maintaining CP, a success results in being able to free one limb while maintaining full ST score for ST based affects and any bonuses you had accumulated against attempts to break free (like +5 for using 2 hands and +4 for an arm lock). I am trying to keep it simple while also making grappling more attractive and giving the players a way to target difficult hit locations that is tactically more interesting. What do you think, workable and balanced? |
04-25-2017, 05:51 PM | #2 | |
Doctor of GURPS Ballistics
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Re: Minor Tweeks to Grappling Rules
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Pass Limb could also be used to add a second location to the list of those at -4. So you could (say) grapple the torso (-4) and limbs are -2 . . . but if you pass limb, you can either free one of your own limbs, OR you can (say) have the torso and right arm at -4, and the rest at -2. One limb per attack. So eventually you could have the arms, torso, and legs (cradle position) if you're willing to spend the attacks. That'd be the equivalent of a Pin. the bit about half penalties on strikes by the grappler seems a fair trade for "I spend CP to lower hit location penalties" and incentivizes the grapple/strike combo, which is to the good. Another thing you could do is allow two levels of grappled. So the first is -4 to the grappled location, the second is -8.
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04-25-2017, 06:29 PM | #3 |
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Re: Minor Tweeks to Grappling Rules
I have for some time now thought that MA superseded the "-4 DX for the grappled limb only" with a blanket -4 DX and the grappled limb, if other than the torso, being unusable.
Going back and re-reading it, I might have made a hen of a feather; MA119 under Pain and Breaking Free says "Attacks are at -4 while grappled and can’t involve any body part or weapon that your foe is restraining." and the rest of the paragraph makes some suggestions that could be interpreted that way too. It seems I inferred a whole new ruleset from that passage. But we've been using that rule (apparently a house rule as it turns out) for a while now, and it's been working pretty well, making grappling attractive to use and dangerous to be on the receiving end of. Food for thought? |
04-25-2017, 07:42 PM | #4 |
Doctor of GURPS Ballistics
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Re: Minor Tweeks to Grappling Rules
I'm going to comment more extensively (with proper credit) on these on ye olde blogge.
And here they are: Less-Technical Grappling
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04-26-2017, 10:32 AM | #5 | |
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Re: Minor Tweeks to Grappling Rules
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One question: since grappling the torso gives -4 to DX for actions involving the torso, but -2 to DX for actions involving the arms and legs only (and head, I guess), which actions with the arms do not involve the torso? Most weapons strikes, even one handed, require the core, so should those suffer the whole -4 to DX? What about parries and blocks? I think it would be safe to only penalize grapple attempts by -2 since grabbing is not the same as striking hard. Thanks! Last edited by phayman53; 04-26-2017 at 10:42 AM. |
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04-26-2017, 10:40 AM | #6 | |
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Re: Minor Tweeks to Grappling Rules
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I like the idea of penalizing grappling less, if for no other reason than to encourage folks to grapple back to break free, which is the most common response (along with grabbing the other guy).
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