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Old 04-27-2012, 01:30 AM   #21
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There can be a middle ground. Head Six, for example, was able to help Gaius Baltar resist D'Anna's torture and interrogation, but didn't seem to really do anything outside of his head, at least most of the time. This might be modeled as some form of modular abilities, mental only, or for pushing existing capabilities for a short time, with Granted by Ally.
Or even just Extra Will +x (Granted by Ally). On the other hand she could have just used Leadership.
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Old 04-27-2012, 03:52 AM   #22
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There can be a middle ground. Head Six, for example, was able to help Gaius Baltar resist D'Anna's torture and interrogation, but didn't seem to really do anything outside of his head, at least most of the time. This might be modeled as some form of modular abilities, mental only, or for pushing existing capabilities for a short time, with Granted by Ally.
I once built a similar NPC. Pretty minimalistic, but some traits that are of note for Six-like characters (not full set of abilities, though):
Nominal Permeation (one specific PC), always on etc. to avoid a free lunch.
Illusion, Mental +100%, Stigmata +100%, Accessibility (One person in the campaign) -50%, Reliable (10) +50%.
Mind Reading, Sensory +20%, Reliable (10) +50%, Accessibility -50%.
Possession, Parasitic -60%, Chronic +20%, Accessibility -50%.
Puppet (Host).

Reliable is nasty and perhaps wrong, but it can account for it always working.

Illusion allows doing the stuff that Six did during the interrogation, and that she can also beat up Baltar and leave physical marks. Mind Reading makes sure there are few secrets (but one could add Mind Probe). Possession is for freaky stuff like 'controlled sleepwalking'.
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Old 04-27-2012, 11:09 AM   #23
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That's not an Ally. At most it's a Contact.
I had to give up on the original thread because I could not wrap my head around the concept. It wasn't clear to me whether the op was talking about something that was real or not. Rereading it, I still don't get the sense that the thing being discussed is more than a Delusion :/
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Old 04-27-2012, 11:21 AM   #24
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A predictable enemy is almost as good as a trust worthy ally.
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Old 04-27-2012, 11:22 AM   #25
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I had to give up on the original thread because I could not wrap my head around the concept. It wasn't clear to me whether the op was talking about something that was real or not. Rereading it, I still don't get the sense that the thing being discussed is more than a Delusion :/
There are fictional examples of imaginary people giving good advice or pointing out things that the character hasn't consciously noticed. Although I suppose that could be a nuisance effect of Common Sense.
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Old 04-27-2012, 11:24 AM   #26
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Last night I saw upon the stair
A little man who wasn’t there.
He wasn’t there again today;
Oh, how I wish he’d go away.
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Old 04-27-2012, 11:58 AM   #27
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There are fictional examples of imaginary people giving good advice or pointing out things that the character hasn't consciously noticed. Although I suppose that could be a nuisance effect of Common Sense.
That's a possibility for the helpful aspect. Delusion would be there to (at least partially) cover the hurtful aspect, as well as the unreality of the entity. 'Course, that's not what the op seems to be looking for.
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Old 04-27-2012, 03:01 PM   #28
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He puts up with my abuse cause he's also my Enemy and wants to hurt me.
So, the discount comes from the fact you also get to buy him as an Enemy.
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Old 04-28-2012, 01:24 AM   #29
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So lemme just check something with everyone.

A. Would I get disadvantages from him doing things to me (flashbacks, nightmares, etc.)? If so, see B.

B. Would those disadvantages become cheaper because they are granted by my ally/enemy?
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Old 04-28-2012, 07:53 AM   #30
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So lemme just check something with everyone.

A. Would I get disadvantages from him doing things to me (flashbacks, nightmares, etc.)? If so, see B.

B. Would those disadvantages become cheaper because they are granted by my ally/enemy?
That would depend on whether or not this "hallucination" is a real entity with advantages of its own or actually just a figment.
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