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08-21-2019, 02:45 AM | #12 |
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Re: [High-Tech] Understanding the practical rate of fire for a cannon.
IIRC the rule always used to be that whilst the gunner was engaging his target, the commander was already locating and fixing the bearing for the next one, and the loader would be feeding the gun as the gunner traversed between targets... and I'm told that modern gunnery control systems can stack targets several high and track them simultaneously...
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08-21-2019, 09:44 AM | #13 | |
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There's more propellant too. The round for the Rapira in HT weighs 73 lbs (a litle over 33 kilos) and no more than an end cap of that is brass. There's some that"s sabot but mostly it's projectile and propellant. You get recoil fro, the sabot anyway. So if that 9 gram bullet is approximately what I think it is it's more like 11 grams once you add the propellant. That's a ratio of mass of hunter to fired round of around 6800 to 1. The ratio of the tank to the fired tank round is more like 1800 to 1. So you're geting proportionately much more recoil. That hunter can't Aim his rifle while he's firing it anyway. I wouldn't let him Aim while he's working the bolt either. Working the bolt moves the gun.
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08-21-2019, 03:27 PM | #14 | |
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08-21-2019, 07:23 PM | #15 | |
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(My squadron commander thought it would be cool for aviation lieutenants to experience tank gunnery for themselves, so I did one firing table as a loader. Broke my toe when I let my foot get in the way of a spent casing, but impressed the crew because I continued to load without missing a beat.) Don't forget, modern tank and artillery guns have shock absorbers for the recoil that return the barrel to its original position. The vehicle bounces around some, but the target is probably moving (or changed, after a successful hit), too. |
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08-22-2019, 05:17 AM | #16 |
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For post-war tanks it depends on the design of the sight and loading mechanism. Some systems allow the gunner to maintain a sight picture while gun is being reloaded, other systems don't. The former is somewhat rare, and fine adjustments to aim cannot typically be made while the loader is reloading the gun, but a precise answer would have to be on a per-tank basis.
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08-22-2019, 06:10 AM | #17 | |
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Aside from anything else, for manually loaded guns if they were stabilised when being loaded the loader would get smashed by them if the tank went over a bump. So they get stabilised in that they don't bounce all over, but they aren't locked onto a target all the time. At the most massive end, big naval guns in the 20th century had next to no connection to their sights, which were often in a completely different part of the ship (though the turrets often had backup sights), and the sight and rangefinder operators most certainly kept doing their thing while the guns were being reloaded, as did the fire control computer operators, etc. That said, with these guns while the turrets would be constantly trained, the guns' elevation was adjusted after loading, even if they were loaded without being moved to a fixed elevation - they were just too heavy for it to be safe having them moving while their crews were serving them.
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