Taking 1x damage in one move?

Aocast · 04-29-2016, 10:53 AM

My GM said that there was a rule where if you take your 1x your HP in one move you immediately die? I haven't been able to find one like that, and I think that rule is BS which is why I'm making sure that I'm right. Someone can take -4.9999999 times their HP and NOT die during the entirety of a fight... But someone takes 1x their HP in one move and die?

JMason · 04-29-2016, 10:56 AM

Yeah, that rules does not exist. If you take over 1/2 HP then you get a major wound, but the only "insta-death" is 6xHP (takes you down to -5xHP, which kills you).

Nereidalbel · 04-29-2016, 10:58 AM

Your GM must be confused with some other system, as the ONLY way an attack can cause instant death is to bring you to -5x HP.

Ulzgoroth · 04-29-2016, 10:58 AM

Your GM either made that rule up or got it from some very optional source. Probably the former.

Nereidalbel · 04-29-2016, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ulzgoroth

Your GM either made that rule up or got it from some very optional source. Probably the former.

Or got HIGHLY confused by the blow-through rules.

ericthered · 04-29-2016, 11:07 AM

The closest I've ever seen to that in gurps is in lwcamps wounding system.

which is very much not standard gurps damage and injury, and even he demands that such a blow happen to the brain.

I'm going to say that its a house rule. Its not a terrible house rule, I suppose, but I know of no place where it is written. Let alone being written in the main books.

Ulzgoroth · 04-29-2016, 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ericthered

I'm going to say that its a house rule. Its not a terrible house rule, I suppose, but I know of no place where it is written.

I'd submit that it is a terrible house rule, especially for a High Tech game where a single shot from almost any rifle or the more-powerful pistols would be an instant no-roll kill.

Nereidalbel · 04-29-2016, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ericthered

I'm going to say that its a house rule. Its not a terrible house rule, I suppose, but I know of no place where it is written. Let alone being written in the main books.

It allows ST11 with a baseball bat to cause instant death with an AoA (Strong) to the torso. That honestly is not a good house rule by any means.

Landwalker · 04-29-2016, 11:29 AM

I'm guessing this whole thing, if not a poorly-considered house rule, is being caused by a gross misunderstanding if the usual HP and death rules: That is, the rule that once you reach 0 HP, you start making HT-based consciousness checks, and once you reach -1xHP, you start making HT-based death checks. But those obviously have the very major differences of 1) allowing "save" rolls, and 2) Not having anything to do with how much injury you suffer from any given single action.

ericthered · 04-29-2016, 11:45 AM

Ahh.. I forgot about the no roll part.

Yeah, always roll vs HT to stay alive, unless you hit -HPx5. I was thinking a roll was allowed. I've never seen any 'no roll kill' mechanism outside of -HPx5.

Forcing a roll on a single hit of HP or more might not be bad, but I'd likely only count it if you started with positive HP, give a bonus to the HT roll, and count it as a mortal wound regardless of the actual roll

Reason why?: because right now a 15 point wound to the torso (not vitals) has no way to kill you without bleeding rules (which I never use).

But yes, always always roll.

04-29-2016, 10:53 AM	#1
Aocast Join Date: Apr 2016	Taking 1x damage in one move? My GM said that there was a rule where if you take your 1x your HP in one move you immediately die? I haven't been able to find one like that, and I think that rule is BS which is why I'm making sure that I'm right. Someone can take -4.9999999 times their HP and NOT die during the entirety of a fight... But someone takes 1x their HP in one move and die?

04-29-2016, 10:56 AM	#2
JMason Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Cockeysville, MD	Re: Taking 1x damage in one move? Yeah, that rules does not exist. If you take over 1/2 HP then you get a major wound, but the only "insta-death" is 6xHP (takes you down to -5xHP, which kills you). __________________ --- My Blog: Dice and Discourse - My adventures in GURPS and thoughts on table top RPGs.

04-29-2016, 10:58 AM	#3
Nereidalbel Join Date: May 2013 Location: Ellicott City, MD	Re: Taking 1x damage in one move? Your GM must be confused with some other system, as the ONLY way an attack can cause instant death is to bring you to -5x HP.

04-29-2016, 10:58 AM	#4
Ulzgoroth Join Date: Jul 2008	Re: Taking 1x damage in one move? Your GM either made that rule up or got it from some very optional source. Probably the former. __________________ I don't know any 3e, so there is no chance that I am talking about 3e rules by accident.

04-29-2016, 11:07 AM	#6
ericthered Hero of Democracy Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: far from the ocean	Re: Taking 1x damage in one move? The closest I've ever seen to that in gurps is in lwcamps wounding system. which is very much not standard gurps damage and injury, and even he demands that such a blow happen to the brain. I'm going to say that its a house rule. Its not a terrible house rule, I suppose, but I know of no place where it is written. Let alone being written in the main books. __________________ Be helpful, not pedantic Worlds Beyond Earth -- my blog Check out the PbP forum! If you don't see a game you'd like, ask me about making one!

04-29-2016, 11:29 AM	#9
Landwalker Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Cumberland, ME	Re: Taking 1x damage in one move? I'm guessing this whole thing, if not a poorly-considered house rule, is being caused by a gross misunderstanding if the usual HP and death rules: That is, the rule that once you reach 0 HP, you start making HT-based consciousness checks, and once you reach -1xHP, you start making HT-based death checks. But those obviously have the very major differences of 1) allowing "save" rolls, and 2) Not having anything to do with how much injury you suffer from any given single action.

04-29-2016, 11:45 AM	#10
ericthered Hero of Democracy Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: far from the ocean	Re: Taking 1x damage in one move? Ahh.. I forgot about the no roll part. Yeah, always roll vs HT to stay alive, unless you hit -HPx5. I was thinking a roll was allowed. I've never seen any 'no roll kill' mechanism outside of -HPx5. Forcing a roll on a single hit of HP or more might not be bad, but I'd likely only count it if you started with positive HP, give a bonus to the HT roll, and count it as a mortal wound regardless of the actual roll Reason why?: because right now a 15 point wound to the torso (not vitals) has no way to kill you without bleeding rules (which I never use). But yes, always always roll. __________________ Be helpful, not pedantic Worlds Beyond Earth -- my blog Check out the PbP forum! If you don't see a game you'd like, ask me about making one!