The HORROR!

[cjbeiting]

Originally Posted by Steven Marsh

While I understand and support the sentiment, I also note that voting with dollars is a fairly blunt instrument. If there's no functional difference between the "dollar votes" of "I want this as a color hardcover" and "I don't ever want SJ Games to do another hardcover," it can be hard to make sure the correct message is received and acted on.

Actually, the art decision on this is a bit of a surprise to me.

Ordinarily, I actually prefer black and white illustrations in game books, and haven't really been all that fond of the decision to go with color for the GURPS 4e hardbacks. (Not that it's stopped me from buying them all, of course!)

However, at the same time, I found the black and white renditions of the
of the art done by Christopher Shy in GURPS Horror 3rd edition to be pretty unappealing--until I saw some versions of the originals, which were in color, and _much_ nicer. I was kinda hoping we would see some of these again some day, in their original color beauty, when 4th ed. was announced as being an all-color line. Turns out not to be the case, alas.

On the other hand, does this mean the future hardbacks may go with B&W illustrations? *That's* actually fine with me, particularly if it means that hardbacks might be a little easier (and faster?) to produce.

But in all other respects, the new GURPS Horror is wonderful. I was a big fan of the 3rd edition, and though, "Aww, c'mon. How can it get any better?" But it did. Oh, it did!

Great work all around folks.

[zorg]

I don't care much whether this one reprints Horror Third Ed stuff. My deadtree Horror is Second Ed, and somewhat... dated.

Oh, yes - bought and dl'ed.

[Not another shrubbery]

Originally Posted by Mgellis

In the description of Frankenstein, Victor Frankenstein never names his creature. He abandons his creation utterly. It is the creature who says, at one point, "Remember that I am thy creature; I ought to be thy Adam, but I am rather the fallen angel, whom thou drivest from joy for no misdeed."

A theme echoed later in Chapter 15, after he reads the found copy of Paradise Lost - "Like Adam, I was apparently united by no link to any other being in existence; but his state was far different from mine in every other respect... Many times I considered Satan as the fitter emblem of my condition".

[Jürgen Hubert]

Originally Posted by cjbeiting

On the other hand, does this mean the future hardbacks may go with B&W illustrations?

How many future hardbacks are there actually going to be?

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by Jürgen Hubert

How many future hardbacks are there actually going to be?

At least one.

[Kuroshima]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

At least one.

and I hope that Girl Genius features full color interiors!

[lachimba]

Originally Posted by Kuroshima

Personally, the thing I'll regret from losing color interiors are the color coded sections. On my basic set, I know that skills are deep blue, advantages light blue, and disadvantages brown. Other than that, I don't mind that much the loss of color interiors...

I like it for the example text and modifiers. Just makes them stand out more for me and also looks a LOT better printed out than shady text.

[Whome?]

I have OGL Horror - which is a 240 page full color hardbound horror RPG book. Yes, it does look great.

However, your sales have to be at a certain level to warrant this level of expense. Full color hardbounds are very expensive to produce. The breakeven point on black and white .pdfs is much lower.

I know all about voting with dollars, but if the sales are small, black and white .pdfs will still turn a profit.

He's an interesting idea - how about releasing "Best of Pyramid 3" as a hardbound? The cost of production would be small and it would satisfy the Gurps customers who like full color hardbounds.

I myself didn't get into Gurps earlier than I did because the game I was playing at the time had much better artwork than Gurps until Gurps 4e came along.

That game had its artwork done by Larry Elmore and it really showed.

[Crakkerjakk]

Originally Posted by Kuroshima

and I hope that Girl Genius features full color interiors!

Word man.

I don't mind black and white interior art, but I agree that color coded chapters are nice.

If I had my druthers we'd have hard-cover color with non-glossy paper.

[lachimba]

Originally Posted by Crakkerjakk

If I had my druthers we'd have hard-cover color with non-glossy paper.

I doubt it would be worth it for SJ Games, but I would buy the Basic Set over again just to have it on non glossy paper (and perhaps with an edit or two).