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Old 07-29-2019, 08:31 PM   #31
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Banking is supported by other institutions that would not normally be expected to take part. Two examples:

Gaming Halls allow patrons, instead of cashing chips to maintain an internal account and receive interest. The money can sometimes be invested as at a bank. Some gaming halls have evolved into banks proper and only deal in gambling as a side business.

Museums rent expensive pieces from rich patrons. Purchasing art objects is a way to store money (come to think of it they may actually do that but whatever).
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Military units raise money for veterans and dependents trusts, gathering places for personal, "bling of war", etc by holding athletic tournaments and inviting civilians to watch. These can include such things as jousting, polo, or whatever.
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Bullfighting is still a regular sport on this planet. After a bullfight a successful matador is presented with the horns as a trophy. A feast is held. The most successful matador also ceremonially eats the bulls' deep-fried, um, "oysters" as a symbol of the triumph of his superior masculinity (if it's a female matador, it is considered just as cool-it proves her femininity is triumphant over the bulls' masculinity-and the same thing is done). The noble presiding over the feast orders the first cut to be given to anyone in his or her domain whom he feels has properly distinguished himself). The rest is given to the cowboys who separated the bulls for the days entertainment from their herd.

Cattle from the fighting breed that do not measure up to arena quality are traditionally castrated and "leatherfied" when they reach the proper age. However Kefir from cows of that breed are considered a properly "macho" drink.
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Working animals are still used in many rural places. They are ideally retired and pastured when they can work no more (I got that one from a story I read about a squire who bought up some army surplus warhorses after Waterloo and let them loose in his pasture and watched them do drills on their own as if they were still in the army). This one will have to be worked on as not all owners can afford to have useless stock around.
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Gambling is a favorite activity and bets are placed on almost everything. This can include a political event, the outcome of a military action, the first ship into port in a given year, etc. The intelligence services keep a weather eye out on this as gamblers are automatic ad hoc spies.
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In nighttime, especially on weekends, every hospitality establishment is linked electronically. There is a giant storytelling session going on akin to Canterebury Tales or Wayside Inn-in every place that can be reached by the link. In some cases it is done from home and people eat take-out and listen to entertainment online. Indeed several famous short-story and poetry anthologies have been made with this as a theme.
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Old 07-30-2019, 12:28 AM   #32
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Gambling is a favorite activity and bets are placed on almost everything. This can include a political event, the outcome of a military action, the first ship into port in a given year, etc. The intelligence services keep a weather eye out on this as gamblers are automatic ad hoc spies.
If everyone gambles all the time, why would intelligence services think that was a sign of them being spies? And even if they did, how could they possibly have the man power to watch them?
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Old 07-30-2019, 01:16 AM   #33
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If everyone gambles all the time, why would intelligence services think that was a sign of them being spies? And even if they did, how could they possibly have the man power to watch them?
It's not a sign of them being spies as in, "targets for counterintelligence". Spies was really a bad description. It's a sign of them being a place to go for intelligence. "Open Sources" is a better description.

It is really no different than someone perusing periodicals. And gambling a lot is certainly not considered a sign of being an enemy agent. If someone is successful at it, it is a sign to pay attention to them. That is, people who want information will gravitate to successful gamblers, bookies, and what not.
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Old 07-30-2019, 08:42 AM   #34
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Gambling is a favorite activity and bets are placed on almost everything. This can include a political event, the outcome of a military action, the first ship into port in a given year, etc. The intelligence services keep a weather eye out on this as gamblers are automatic ad hoc spies.
This readily turns into a prediction market. Which means there are certain sorts of bet you have to restrict, such as "person X will die within the next week".
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This readily turns into a prediction market. Which means there are certain sorts of bet you have to restrict, such as "person X will die within the next week".
The power to cheat must, I suppose be an assumption. The better must be able to encourage the death of X next week.

Really that sort of thing is no different than fight-fixing which we already have.
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The power to cheat must, I suppose be an assumption. The better must be able to encourage the death of X next week.

Really that sort of thing is no different than fight-fixing which we already have.
Well, it's no different from assassination for pay, which we already have… but we still try to make it difficult to achieve. Sure, the guy who wins the bet will get investigated… but he now has an entirely legal way to get paid for the assassination.
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but he now has an entirely legal way to get paid for the assassination.
That's not really a difference, though. There's already an entirely legal way to pay assassins. Give them money. Nothing illegal about that -- or any of the other ways to exchange value that are routinely used in contracts.

What's illegal is the assassination. Same thing here. This society would just throw in a law that says it's illegal to profit from a crime (we already have those, after all).

Also, they might declare that it's a crime to pay out to winners if they're found guilty -- possibly also if the event is under investigation for a crime. (Feel free to invent your own variations). In some cases, this would lead to a refusal by the market-makers to cover some types of events simply because it wasn't worth the trouble or the chance of being turned into an accomplice.
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That's not really a difference, though. There's already an entirely legal way to pay assassins. Give them money. Nothing illegal about that -- or any of the other ways to exchange value that are routinely used in contracts.

What's illegal is the assassination. Same thing here. This society would just throw in a law that says it's illegal to profit from a crime (we already have those, after all).

Also, they might declare that it's a crime to pay out to winners if they're found guilty -- possibly also if the event is under investigation for a crime. (Feel free to invent your own variations). In some cases, this would lead to a refusal by the market-makers to cover some types of events simply because it wasn't worth the trouble or the chance of being turned into an accomplice.
Unless it is a celebrity (or black humor at the ICU) is is no reason to bet on the death of someone in which case there will be far more betting than are suspects.

In certain cases the death of a given person is a POLITICAL event. If it is proved to be an assassination it would probably be for political purposes (I suspect the elimination of Olympias of Macedon was not motivated by desire to win a bet).
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Old 07-30-2019, 07:25 PM   #40
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This one is an adaptation from Andromeda's Nietscheans* but actually a rather plausible custom. It is considered an honor not only to have venerable ancestors but a worthy ambition and sometimes a duty to make one's posterity proud of one.

This means that a lot of times people will refrain from deeds that would otherwise gain wealth or power for reasons that are in a sense selfish. They are trying to gain fame in the future.

Naturally of course most believe in an afterlife and many believe that a reward (or punishment as it may be) is to see both what ones descendants and ones ancestors think of one.

* In that case it was justified by what amounted to a Social Darwinistic religion which believed that achievement proved one good breeding in the literal sense of the word. One could actually believe such a thing might exist but I adapted the idea in a softer and less amoral form to suit my needs.
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