Penetrating Vision and Telekinesis

[transmetahuman]

Originally Posted by Not another shrubbery

Dunno, C-C... A standard FF doesn't seem to affect most uses of Teke.

"Standard" force fields in comics and movies are usually transparent or translucent enough to see objects through, so they wouldn't affect GURPS TK. TK that couldn't penetrate transparent glass, plastic, etc... well, it'd depend on the game-world definition of the effect, but I could certainly see it being stopped by FFs, too (the area effect kinds in Powers, at least). Though I'm having trouble coming up with an effect that reaches unimpeded through air or water but is stopped by a layer of kitchen plastic wrap. I could see more possibilities for a form of TK that needs to breach the DR+HP of material... a wind control power, for instance.

[Nikolai]

Originally Posted by Kromm

All that's required for TK to work is that the subject be within range and visible to you. How you get in range or see it isn't important.

So blind people cannot use TK?
Why can't you just use your telekinetic hands to perceive the surroundings by touch? (After all, the TK description doesn't state otherwise.)
Or how about at least allowing "I use my TK to push whatever is in the middle of the hex behind that door."?

[Kromm]

Originally Posted by Nikolai

So blind people cannot use TK?
Why can't you just use your telekinetic hands to perceive the surroundings by touch? (After all, the TK description doesn't state otherwise.)
Or how about at least allowing "I use my TK to push whatever is in the middle of the hex behind that door."?

Blindness limits Telekinesis (TK) no more and no less than it does any other ranged ability. You can aim TK blind, at the usual -6 or so. You can use it with compensatory senses, such as Scanning Sense or Vibration Sense. Or you can learn Blind Fighting. However, TK doesn't give you remote tactile feedback for free; like any other character, if you want that, you must buy Clairsentience. Also, note that Blindness is a -50-point disadvantage. I'm not sure why on earth TK would not be subject to its drawbacks when hands and Innate Attack blasts are.

[Ze'Manel Cunha]

Originally Posted by transmetahuman

Though I'm having trouble coming up with an effect that reaches unimpeded through air or water but is stopped by a layer of kitchen plastic wrap. I could see more possibilities for a form of TK that needs to breach the DR+HP of material... a wind control power, for instance.

How about TK as an almost physical astral projection connected to your own body?

If you give it visible effects it could get pretty limiting, a nice light blue comes to mind.

[Nikolai]

Originally Posted by Kromm

I'm not sure why on earth TK would not be subject to its drawbacks when hands and Innate Attack blasts are.

OK, agreed. Thanks for the clarification.

Originally Posted by Kromm

However, TK doesn't give you remote tactile feedback for free; like any other character, if you want that, you must buy Clairsentience.

Clairsentience gives you remote tactile feedback? Its description only talks of your ranged senses (sight, hearing and smell).

[Ze'Manel Cunha]

Originally Posted by Nikolai

Clairsentience gives you remote tactile feedback? Its description only talks of your ranged senses (sight, hearing and smell).

Clairsentience normally addresses the five senses, sight, hearing, smell, taste, touch.

Clairsentient touch is usually one of those "perverse" practices which one doesn't find much outside of romances and soft-porn fantasy fiction.
*innocent look*

[Nikolai]

Originally Posted by Ze'Manel Cunha

Clairsentience normally addresses the five senses, sight, hearing, smell, taste, touch.

Originally Posted by p. B42, Clairsentience

You can displace all of your ranged senses (for humans: sight, hearing, and smell) to a point outside your body.

Originally Posted by Ze'Manel Cunha

Clairsentient touch is usually one of those "perverse" practices which one doesn't find much outside of romances and soft-porn fantasy fiction.
*innocent look*

Well, maybe that is Telekinesis + Penetrating Vision... ;-)

[Not another shrubbery]

Originally Posted by Ze'Manel Cunha

Clairsentient touch is usually one of those "perverse" practices which one doesn't find much outside of romances and soft-porn fantasy fiction.
*innocent look*

I wasn't going to ask why you knew so much about it.
*equally innocent look*

Heh... I think, that "clairsentience" is the name usually applied to the remote sense of touch (and "clairgustance" to remote sense of taste). Are there official values for these two? They both seem limited enough to qualify for the -60% given to Clairosmia.

[Ze'Manel Cunha]

Originally Posted by Nikolai

Well, maybe that is Telekinesis + Penetrating Vision... ;-)

Yeah, the GURPS books and Kromm define things a bit funny sometimes, but tradionally one of the primary abilities of Clairsentience has always been Touch, this is true in almost all genres and historical sources.

[Ze'Manel Cunha]

Originally Posted by Not another shrubbery

Heh... I think, that "clairsentience" is the name usually applied to the remote sense of touch (and "clairgustance" to remote sense of taste).

Yep, Clairvoyance is sight, Clairaudience is hearing, Clairolfaction is smell.