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I know I would never be able to work as a teacher, precisely because it sounds absolutely exhausting to spend most of one's time boiling complex subjects down to the simplest possible explanations, not to mention having to deal with children all day.* I can imagine that for someone so much more intelligent than ordinary adults that they seem like children to him, it would be extremely frustrating. On the other hand, I just don't think that scoring high on real-world IQ tests has much to do with that kind of hypothetical intellligence, as the real-world tests, in order to be culturally neutral and avoid the need for subjective judgment as much as possible, have actually excluded the vast majority of the myriad things that make up real-world 'intelligence'. *Cute and all, but any group of twenty or more of them will have several absolutely infuriating examples, who will probably end up taking most of your time. Or at least that's how it worked when I used to be a Scout leader and when I had a summer job as a camp instructor.
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03-08-2018, 07:14 AM | #113 |
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The only trusted standardized test among the majority of high IQ societies is the Miller's Analogy Test (MAT), and it measures cultural knowledge. It is a culturally subjective test, but it does do an adequate job of measuring the intelligence of people raised in American culture. Anyone from outside of American culture takes the proprietary tests of each high IQ society instead, which tend to be quirky.
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03-08-2018, 08:33 AM | #114 | |
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We don't know for sure what neurological differences give rise to IQ differences between non-disabled people, so if that's your criterion for what it is in real life, you're largely right. But we know very well what IQ is in the sense of measuring it and using those measurements to make statistical predictions about a whole host of other interesting phenomena.
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03-08-2018, 09:36 AM | #115 | |
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It's amazing that if you test a person's mental abilities on a very limited set of instruments, say face memory, picture puzzles, repeating long strings of numbers, and reaction speed, you can give a fairly accurate estimate of their performance on tasks that seem completely unrelated, like their vocabulary, or their knowledge of history, or their ability to distinguish musical tones. It's amazing, but it's true. Intelligence isn't just a vast variety of different abilities combined. Most of all, it's one hidden trait that is at the core of all mental abilities.
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03-08-2018, 10:29 AM | #116 |
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Can you recommend some literature where I can read about this? I find it fascinating that a test of face memory, reaction speed, etc. can predict someone's knowledge of history.
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03-08-2018, 10:47 AM | #117 |
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This one's a great primer: Stuart Richie - Intelligence: All That Matters
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03-10-2018, 04:19 AM | #118 | |
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But otherwise its pretty cool. When you get into that basic level, you can manipulate variables in very neat ways. All this reminded me how we often hear about dogs having empathy, and this study showed signs of rodents having empathy. Fear and anxiety in special really opens the gate to understanding the primitive brain. And is it any wonder that anxiety disorders are so prevalent, when being prone to excessive fear is more often than not an evolutionary advantage, compared to displaying insuficient fear (relative to potential threats). At least with animal models, experimental control allows more solid answers to any proposed hypothesis. I might have continued on this field, if not for the lack of prospects in this area here in Brazil, and the extremelly cut-throat atmosphere in my previous lab. |
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03-10-2018, 08:01 AM | #119 |
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One example of fear influencing tests deals with rodents. Unlike quite recently, researchers in animal intelligence did not realize that rodents could detect cat and dog hair and dander on their assistants, so the rodents subjects were always in a state of fear because they were smelling predators. While it has only been a few years since that realization, some labs have adapted and instituted procedures, such as changing into lab issued uniforms at the lab after showering at the lab, and they are getting much different results than previois experiments from what I have heard from members of the community.
The lab rats are acting much like pet rats, they are affectionate and loving, and they are exhibiting higher levels of intelligence because they are not distracted by fear. The rats are so affectionate and loving that some of the labs have had to switch to mice, who are hateful little bastards, because the assistants started bringing treats and toys for the lab rats, which started influencing the test results. There have even been cases of assistants stealing lab rats when they felt the experiments were too cruel, though that was fortunately rare. |
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Empathy is often a bane to accurate animal study results.
Just look at ape communication research to see just how far that will distort things.
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