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Old 12-22-2019, 11:50 AM   #1
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What do you think it was like for wordbound of The Abolitionist movement, the Underground Railroad, the Liberator Newspaper, etc when Slavery was abolished?

On one hand they must have been giddy but also feel pained because their word would soon die without something to oppose.
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Old 12-22-2019, 03:38 PM   #2
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This is why having a Word for something that is likely to end is a poor idea, and having too many Word-bound on related subjects is a poor planning by the Seraphim Council.

The way out of that trap for an individual celestial is to expand their Word to a more abstract concept that includes the old Word. If there are several Word-bound on closely related subjects, they'll be competing for fewer expanded Words, and some will lose out, and then die.
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Old 12-23-2019, 05:40 AM   #3
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Hi everybody,

like johndallman said, I doubt, that the Seraphim Council would have bestowed Words, that - on the temporal axis - had a very good chance to become obsolete in the foreseeable future. And if it had, I assume john's explanation about what would have happened is valid, in my opinion.

That left aside, I think, that the Seraphim Council would have rather bestowed the - more broad - Word of Liberation, or, perhaps, Abolition of Slavery in a wider context, whose holder would have been and probably still is closely watched by Judgement, because of being conceptually dangerously close to Freedom. I think, it is good to keep in mind, that the Seraphim Council usually tries to bestow Words that apply, as much as possible, globally.

In that view, the Seraphim Council might very probably even have refrained to bestow any Words in this particular venue at all, because of that very reason, leaving it to angels of the Wind, Fire, Destiny, and the occasional angel of Judgement, to combat slavery and all that it entails.

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Old 12-24-2019, 10:34 AM   #4
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That left aside, I think, that the Seraphim Council would have rather bestowed the - more broad - Word of Liberation, or, perhaps, Abolition of Slavery in a wider context, whose holder would have been and probably still is closely watched by Judgement, because of being conceptually dangerously close to Freedom. I think, it is good to keep in mind, that the Seraphim Council usually tries to bestow Words that apply, as much as possible, globally.
I think I'd go with Emancipation. Even in its original Latin it already expanded to cases other than strict slavery, and as long as there are humans there will be people deserving release from unjust bonds of some sort.

For the Underground Railroad, I dunno, I suppose there might be an angel of Wind with the word of Moral Smuggling.

But honestly it's a bit of modernist thinking that Heaven opposes slavery as slavery. The abuses it commonly leads to yes, but all the Abrahamic religions depict a God who seems OK with the general concept. There could perfectly well be an Angel of Slavery working to promote it's proper forms. Doubtless opposed by demons in the service of the Prince of Democracy.
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Old 12-25-2019, 02:03 PM   #5
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I think I'd go with Emancipation. Even in its original Latin it already expanded to cases other than strict slavery, and as long as there are humans there will be people deserving release from unjust bonds of some sort.
I would agree. Given the time of year, I should note that the English-language version of "O, Holy Night" contains a verse that was quite topical when it was written, but reminds relevant in a larger sense even after the 13th Amendment:

Chains shall He break,
For the slave is our brother,
And in His name, all oppression shall cease.


A statement like this would be at the core of an Angel of Emancipation, whatever the time and place.
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Old 01-16-2020, 07:53 PM   #6
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But honestly it's a bit of modernist thinking that Heaven opposes slavery as slavery. The abuses it commonly leads to yes, but all the Abrahamic religions depict a God who seems OK with the general concept. There could perfectly well be an Angel of Slavery working to promote it's proper forms. Doubtless opposed by demons in the service of the Prince of Democracy.
On this id agree somewhat but ask how would the Angel of slavery feel about the Angel of Liberation or Demon of Slavery?

Probaly not really like either one, but empathize a bit more with the first?

Or how would the Angel of Traditional Gender Roles Feel about say Lilith, or Angels of the Wind or Creationers?
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Old 01-17-2020, 11:50 PM   #7
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On this id agree somewhat but ask how would the Angel of slavery feel about the Angel of Liberation or Demon of Slavery?

Probaly not really like either one, but empathize a bit more with the first?

Or how would the Angel of Traditional Gender Roles Feel about say Lilith, or Angels of the Wind or Creationers?
I think one of the things that distinguishes Angelic words from Demonic ones is that angels have a sense of how important their word is supposed to be in the symphony. The Demon of Slavery would think it's great if everyone on Earth was enslaved. The Angel of Slavery knows better. Conversely the Princess of Freedom thinks everyone should be free of everything all the time, while the Angel of Liberation though knows there are some bonds that shouldn't be broken, and perhaps some slaves who shouldn't be freed, though he might be less inclined to admit to that second bit. I can imagine Angels realizing their word has gotten *too loud* and actively working with the Angel with an opposing word to make their own weaker. Demons are not going to do that.

The Angel of Slavery may very well work with the Angel of Liberation all the time, for just that reason. It's not his job to promote his word, but to make it work *as God intended*. If too many slaves on Earth are stuck in forms God doesn't approve of and which can't be reformed into proper ones, he's all for liberating them.
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