Hit the Torso by 5+, hit the vitals instead...

AmesJainchill · 06-21-2009, 04:56 PM

...I like the random chance to hit the vitals on a torso attack, but would this work as well? I'd prefer not to add ANOTHER roll.

Crakkerjakk · 06-21-2009, 05:03 PM

Works for me. Perhaps the same thing for Face and Eyes? Problem is that if it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander. Lucky NPCs can really put a crimp in the PC's plans with a lucky shot.

AmesJainchill · 06-21-2009, 05:15 PM

True...but then, torso armor is almost always the highest DR.

Maybe 6+ on a face hit you hit the skull?...hmmmm.

Hannes665 · 06-21-2009, 05:21 PM

Is there not a official rule on this in MA or was it HT?

Were if a pi or a impailing hit hits torso there is a 1 in 6 change of a vitals hit?

Please correct me if I am wrong.

AmesJainchill · 06-21-2009, 05:41 PM

Both. Torso hits get 1d6, on a 1 you hit the vitals. MA has face hits 1 making it a skull hit.

Ego Archive · 06-21-2009, 06:01 PM

How about combining it? Each + is the chance of hitting vitals?
Torso hit at +1 = 1 in 6 chance.
Torso hit at +5 is 5 in 6 chance.
Same with the face/eyes-skull

I don't know that I would make it auto hit the vitals though, I think there should still be the chance that you miss the vitals with a well aimed shot.

.02

All of that said, I have always used a house rule that each +2 is a -1 to the defense rolls, so I'm not sure if this would cause high skill munchikining problems for me...

DouglasCole · 06-21-2009, 06:46 PM

For my games, for guns and ranged weapons, any torso hit by 3+ hits the vitals instead, or I should say, "in addition."

These weapons are aimed for center of mass anyway; that's just about always the vitals.

AmesJainchill · 06-21-2009, 07:46 PM

Hmmm.

See, I'm running a Star Wars game right now, so these are high-accuracy, low-recoil, high-armor penetration blasters that could be tricked out with some nasty accessories, so you've got some very effective weapons with aimed shots.
I mean, aimed shots make things really hard anyway, but this is fairly high end stuff I'm considering vs. the PCs, and I like the hits the vitals element. Hmmm.

Witchking · 06-21-2009, 07:53 PM

hmm as a sometime GM...my leaning would be NO.

If the player doesnt know the system, his skill, and the odds; and he doesnt bother to ask...then s/he gets what they get.

As a Player I may forward this thread to my GM for consideration.

Interesting guys.
THX

ed_209a · 06-21-2009, 11:01 PM

Since I was taught aim at a small part of a target, not the target as a whole, I would rather flip the math and say if you aim at the vitals (center-mass) and miss by 5 or less, you still hit the torso.

Semantics, yeah I know. I just like to have Guns-8 players using some of the same thought processes as their Guns-15 characters.

06-21-2009, 04:56 PM	#1
AmesJainchill Join Date: Jun 2005	Hit the Torso by 5+, hit the vitals instead... ...I like the random chance to hit the vitals on a torso attack, but would this work as well? I'd prefer not to add ANOTHER roll. __________________ My gaming groups Wiki: GURPS Star Wars house rules, example spaceships, etc.

06-21-2009, 05:03 PM	#2
Crakkerjakk "Gimme 18 minutes . . ." Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Albuquerque, NM	Re: Hit the Torso by 5+, hit the vitals instead... Works for me. Perhaps the same thing for Face and Eyes? Problem is that if it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander. Lucky NPCs can really put a crimp in the PC's plans with a lucky shot. __________________ My bare bones web page Semper Fi

06-21-2009, 05:15 PM	#3
AmesJainchill Join Date: Jun 2005	Re: Hit the Torso by 5+, hit the vitals instead... True...but then, torso armor is almost always the highest DR. Maybe 6+ on a face hit you hit the skull?...hmmmm. __________________ My gaming groups Wiki: GURPS Star Wars house rules, example spaceships, etc.

06-21-2009, 05:21 PM	#4
Hannes665 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Reykjavik, Iceland	Re: Hit the Torso by 5+, hit the vitals instead... Is there not a official rule on this in MA or was it HT? Were if a pi or a impailing hit hits torso there is a 1 in 6 change of a vitals hit? Please correct me if I am wrong. __________________ In the Griffin World I play Agriana Trotter, here is the GURPS crunch. Darth Vader "Luke! I am your fathers second cousins sisters best friends brother!" Luke Skywalker "Nooo... eehh What?!"

06-21-2009, 05:41 PM	#5
AmesJainchill Join Date: Jun 2005	Re: Hit the Torso by 5+, hit the vitals instead... Both. Torso hits get 1d6, on a 1 you hit the vitals. MA has face hits 1 making it a skull hit. __________________ My gaming groups Wiki: GURPS Star Wars house rules, example spaceships, etc.

06-21-2009, 06:01 PM	#6
Ego Archive Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Mpls, MN	Re: Hit the Torso by 5+, hit the vitals instead... How about combining it? Each + is the chance of hitting vitals? Torso hit at +1 = 1 in 6 chance. Torso hit at +5 is 5 in 6 chance. Same with the face/eyes-skull I don't know that I would make it auto hit the vitals though, I think there should still be the chance that you miss the vitals with a well aimed shot. .02 All of that said, I have always used a house rule that each +2 is a -1 to the defense rolls, so I'm not sure if this would cause high skill munchikining problems for me...

06-21-2009, 06:46 PM	#7
DouglasCole Doctor of *GURPS* Ballistics Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Lakeville, MN	Re: Hit the Torso by 5+, hit the vitals instead... For my games, for guns and ranged weapons, any torso hit by 3+ hits the vitals instead, or I should say, "in addition." These weapons are aimed for center of mass anyway; that's just about always the vitals. __________________ My blog:Gaming Ballistic, LLC My Store: Gaming Ballistic on Shopify My Patreon: Gaming Ballistic on Patreon

06-21-2009, 07:46 PM	#8
AmesJainchill Join Date: Jun 2005	Re: Hit the Torso by 5+, hit the vitals instead... Hmmm. See, I'm running a Star Wars game right now, so these are high-accuracy, low-recoil, high-armor penetration blasters that could be tricked out with some nasty accessories, so you've got some very effective weapons with aimed shots. I mean, aimed shots make things really hard anyway, but this is fairly high end stuff I'm considering vs. the PCs, and I like the hits the vitals element. Hmmm. __________________ My gaming groups Wiki: GURPS Star Wars house rules, example spaceships, etc.

06-21-2009, 07:53 PM	#9
Witchking Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Athens of America	Re: Hit the Torso by 5+, hit the vitals instead... hmm as a sometime GM...my leaning would be NO. If the player doesnt know the system, his skill, and the odds; and he doesnt bother to ask...then s/he gets what they get. As a Player I may forward this thread to my GM for consideration. Interesting guys. THX __________________ My center is giving way, my right is in retreat; situation excellent. I shall attack.-Foch America is not perfect, but I will hold her hand until she gets well.-unk Tuskegee Airman

06-21-2009, 11:01 PM	#10
ed_209a Join Date: Sep 2004	Re: Hit the Torso by 5+, hit the vitals instead... Since I was taught aim at a small part of a target, not the target as a whole, I would rather flip the math and say if you aim at the vitals (center-mass) and miss by 5 or less, you still hit the torso. Semantics, yeah I know. I just like to have Guns-8 players using some of the same thought processes as their Guns-15 characters. __________________ “Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.” - Robert E Howard, "The Tower of the Elephant"