10-30-2010, 01:35 AM | #101 |
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Re: Would a 9 lb sapient spider producing 1/10 lb of silk a day suspend your disbelie
Working from the various sources given by posters.
I've got 8oz per day silk for a Status -1 spider making silk cost $20 per pound. With a spinning wheel it takes 1 month to spin and weave enough for a suit of normal clothing resulting in plus $75 per pound, $150 per pound for armor quality. Now I wonder how long it takes to tailor a regular suit of clothing using TL3 or so equipment. |
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Are the researchers whom you had mentioned now engaged in discussing the 'extra physical component'? Or did you simply mean that their models are unworkable without such things? |
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10-30-2010, 09:27 AM | #103 | |
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Of course your critters aren't orb weavers, and 8oz/day is not impossible, but it's going to tie up a significant fraction of their overall metabolic output. TeV |
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10-30-2010, 09:46 AM | #104 | |
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So we could say that a 9 lbs spider could carry up to 1/50th of a pound of silk protein as some sort of Silk Pool (EP), with regeneration of silk protein at 1/500th per day from eating normal proteins, or 1/50th per day if it can cannibalize old silk thread. Last edited by Ze'Manel Cunha; 10-30-2010 at 09:50 AM. |
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Good scientists are always open to the possibility of a complete overhaul of their models, if the evidence requires it. Currently there is no such evidence. TeV |
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10-30-2010, 11:53 AM | #106 |
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No. They're completely pointless to discuss, since if they exist we have no idea what their properties are, and cognitive science researchers aren't set up to discover new forces.
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10-30-2010, 11:56 AM | #107 |
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Probably 0.005oz per day, actually; metabolic scaling is typically around order 0.75 in mass, so for their mass the 9 lb spiders should produce 1/8 as fast as the 0.0035 oz lb spiders.
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10-30-2010, 12:04 PM | #108 |
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Re: Would a 9 lb sapient spider producing 1/10 lb of silk a day suspend your disbelie
M^0.65 for spiders (Comparative Animal Physiology, Withers, p.96)
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10-30-2010, 12:08 PM | #109 |
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Re: Would a 9 lb sapient spider producing 1/10 lb of silk a day suspend your disbelie
All the realism reductions in output keep putting silk production closer to the Low Tech +99 CF. It just won't be marketable to anyone but those with lots of money and little sense.
As it is, there is simply no reason to buy spider silk armor, when iron or bronze plate and chain is cheaper and offers more protection. |
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