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Old 01-16-2018, 04:00 AM   #311
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Well, this claims 35% loss for uncoated optics, vs 5% for top optics. 42mm with 5% loss is better than 50mm with 35% loss, and thus a modern 7x42mm will be slightly brighter than an uncoated 7x50mm. However, a 10x42mm will still be only half as bright per unit area, it's an unavoidable side effect of magnification (note that this doesn't matter for stargazing, point sources will appear the same brightness regardless of magnification).
Plenty of cheaper or older uncoated multi-lens optics have 40% to 50% light transmission (50% to 60% loss). 65% light transmission (35% loss) is very good for uncoated optics, with 75% light transmission (25% loss) being the absolute highest I've ever seen for an uncoated lens (75% is more typical for decent single-coated lenses). The highest quality multi-coated lenses made in the 1990s and later do indeed reach 95% or higher (5% or less loss).

In GURPS terms, probably all of the TL6 and most of the TL7 optics used as references had a light transmission of 50% or less, unless they were about an order of magnitude more expensive than the basic Cost given for Binoculars and Telescoping Sights.

By TL8, there are many common $150 to $300 binoculars that equal or surpass the light transmission of the best binoculars of half a century before (the same goes for other handheld optics, mutatis mutandis). And the optics that cost thousands of dollars at 2017 are astonishing in comparison to even the top-of-the-line WWII and Vietnam vintage stuff.
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Default Spotting scopes

Civilian spotting scopes have DR 1-2, HT 10. Most military models have DR 3, HT 11. Military ones usually come with reticles that allow range estimation using the milrad system, as well as military features such as anti-glare, Protected Sense (Vision) and attachment for night vision equipment.

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Vortex Razor HD 11-33x50 Spotting Scope: Bulk -2 to -4 (Holdout -2); Weight 1.55 lbs.; Cost $1,000; MinST: 10† to 12†; Reduce -3 to -5 / -7 to -10 range penalties; reduces darkness penalties by 1 at 12x magnification and below, no modifiers to darkness penalties at 13x to 19x magnification, adds 1 to darkness penalties at 20x to 29x magnification, adds 2 to darkness penalties at 30x and over; +1 to spot small details.

Vortex Diamondback 20-60x60 Spotting Scope: Bulk -4 to -6 (Holdout -3); Weight 2.2 lbs.; Cost $500; MinST: 12† to 14†; Reduce -4 to -6 / -9 to -11 range penalties; no modifiers to darkness penalties at 20x magnification, adds 1 to darkness penalties at 21x to 30x magnification, adds 2 to darkness penalties at 31x and over.

Vortex Viper HD 15-45x65 Spotting Scope: Bulk -3 to -5 (Holdout -3); Weight 3.2 lbs.; Cost $850; MinST: 13† to 16†; Reduce -4 to -5 / -7 to -11 range penalties; reduces darkness penalties by 1 at 15x magnification, no modifiers to darkness penalties between 16x to 31x magnification, adds 1 to darkness penalties at 32x to 39x magnification, adds 2 to darkness penalties at 40x and over; +1 spot small details.

Celestron Regal M2 65ED 16-48x65 Spotting Scope: Bulk -4 to -6 (Holdout -3); Weight 3 lbs.; Cost $500; MinST: 14† to 16†; Reduce -4 to -5 / -8 to -11 range penalties; no modifiers to darkness penalties at 16x magnification, adds 1 to darkness penalties at 17x to 29x magnification, adds 2 to darkness penalties at 30x and over.

Vortex Razor HD 22-48x65 Spotting Scope: Bulk -4 to -6 (Holdout -3); Weight 3.75 lbs.; Cost $1,600; MinST: 15† to 17†; Reduce -4 to -5 / -9 to -11 range penalties; no modifiers to darkness penalties at up to 35x magnification, adds 1 to darkness penalties 36x to 40x magnification, adds 2 to darkness penalties at more than 41x magnification; +1 to spot small details, reduces penalties for atmospheric distortion by 1.

Vanguard Endeavor HD 82A 20-60x80 Spotting Scope: Bulk -4 to -6 (Holdout -4); Weight 4 lbs.; Cost $550; MinST: 16† to 18†; Reduce -4 to -6 / -9 to -11 range penalties; no modifiers to darkness penalties at 20x magnification, adds 1 to darkness penalties at up to 39x magnification, adds 2 to darkness penalties at 40x and over.

Vortex Razor HD 27-60x85 Spotting Scope: Bulk -5 to -6 (Holdout -4); Weight 4.1 lbs.; Cost $2,000; MinST: 17† to 18†; Reduce -5 to -6 / -9 to -11 range penalties; no modifiers to darkness penalties at up to 40x magnification, adds 1 to darkness penalties 41x to 54x magnification, adds 2 to darkness penalties at more than 55x magnification; +1 to spot small details; reduces penalties for atmospheric distortion by 1.

Vortex Razor HD 20-60x85 Spotting Scope: Bulk -4 to -6 (Holdout -4); Weight 4.2 lbs.; Cost $1,200; MinST: 16† to 18†; Reduce -4 to -6 / -9 to -11 range penalties; reduces darkness penalties by 1 at 20x magnification, no modifiers to darkness penalties at between 21x to 40x magnification, adds 1 to darkness penalties 41x to 54x magnification, adds 2 to darkness penalties at more than 55x magnification; +1 to spot small details; reduces penalties for atmospheric distortion by 1.
Recently discontinued by Vortex Optics, but still available from vendors and probably the best value for money in high end spotter scopes. A 30x wide-angle eyepiece with MRAD reticle is available (Cost $390; Weight 0.3 lbs.; Bulk -5; Reduce -5 / -9 range penalties), turning the spotting scope into a fixed magnification optic while it is mounted.

Nightforce TS-82 20-70x82 Spotting Scope: Bulk -4 to -7 (Holdout -4); Weight 4.25 lbs.; Cost $2,650; MinST: 16† to 19†; Reduce -4 to -6 / -9 to -12 range penalties; reduces darkness penalties by 1 at 20x magnification, no modifiers to darkness penalties between 21x to 40x magnification, adds 1 to darkness penalties between 41x to 54x magnification, adds 2 to darkness penalties at 55x and over; +2 to spot small details, reduces penalties for atmospheric distortion by 1.
DR 3; HT 11. These scopes start out made by the Czech company Meopta and similar quality is available as the Meopta MeoStar S2 82 HD for a few hundred dollars less (may have HT 10).

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M49 Observation Telescope 20x55: Bulk -4 (Holdout -4, tripod Holdout -3; combined Holdout -5); Weight 2.75 lbs. (5 lbs. with M15 tripod in use); MinST: 13†; Cost $200; Rugged (DR 6; HT 13); Reduce -4 / -9 range penalties; adds 2 to darkness penalties; -1 penalty to spot small details; add -1 to penalties for atmospheric distortions beyond 1,000 yds.
The listed stats are for a heavily used specimen made by one of several contractors (Seiler, Argus, etc.). Surplus and vintage specimens sell for $100 to $500. The clarity and lens quality varied somewhat within the M49 milspecs. Better specimens would not suffer the -1 penalty to spot small details or increased mirage penalty beyond 1,000 yards, if they were in truly pristine condition, and, optionally, might only increase darkness penalties by 1 and would be well worth the full $500.

M144 Spotting Scope 15-45x60: Bulk -3 to -5 (Holdout -3, tripod Holdout -2; combined Holdout -4); Weight 1.6 lbs. (2.5 lbs. With Bushnell QD tripod); Cost $900; MinST: 10† to 13†; Reduce -4 to -6 / -7 to -11 range penalties; no modifier to darkness penalties at 15x, adds 1 to darkness penalties at 16x to 31x and adds 2 to darkness penalties up to full magnification.
Over 30x magnification, the tripod will not adequately stabilise, but treats it as a Braced optic, with MinST x2/3. If the Ashbury Precision TACT-3 GP tactical tripod kit (Cost $650; Weight 2.9 lbs.; combined system Cost $1,500; Weight 4.5 lbs.) is used instead of the very light Bushnell, it will stabilise out to full magnification and have Bulk -2 to -5.
Made by B&L, Litton or Bushnell. Based on the B&L Elite 15-45x60 with some alterations demanded for military use, the current civilian version would be the Bushnell Elite 15-45x60. The listed price is for a surplus military version, which go for $800 to $1,100 in real life, though the M144 is still in use with regular US Army units. Civilian versions have DR 2; HT 10 and may lack features of military models, but go for only $250 to $650 without tripod.

M151 Improved Spotting Scope 12-40x60: Bulk -2 to -5 (Holdout -3, tripod Holdout -3; combined Holdout -5); Weight 2.1 lbs. (5 lbs. with Ashbury Precision TACT-3 GP tactical tripod kit); Cost $3,300; MinST: 11† to 14†; Reduce -3 to -6 / -7 to -11 range penalties; reduce darkness penalty by 1 at 12x to 15x magnification, no modifier to darkness penalties at up to 31x, adds 1 to darkness penalties at 32x and up to full magnification; +1 to spot small details; reduces penalties for atmospheric distortions by 1.
The military version of the Leupold Mark 4 12-40x60 Tactical Spotting Scope. The unit price includes the ca $650-$800 tripod kit and an adapter to attach a night vision device, such as the AN/PVS-14. DR 4; HT 12.
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Optics MinST

Like weapons, optics have a minimum ST rating. This is a function of their weight and magnification. For Weight and MinST, see the table on p. 16 of GURPS Low-Tech Companion 2: Weapons and Warriors, repeated here with greater granularity. For magnification higher than 4x, add the number given on the table below to MinST.

For every point of user ST below MinST, increase optic Bulk by -1 and give a -1 penalty to Vision. The user will also grow tired of using the optic more quickly, adjudicated by the GM (if using the optional rules with Trained DX, increased FP cost only applies if the user lacks the actual Trained ST for the optic).

Use Trained ST to determine whether a user meets this minimum ST. Observation and Hobby Skill (Birdwatching), as well as similar hobbies or professions, use the Fast Trained ST progression. Boating, Navigation, Seamanship and Tactics use the Average progression. Professional Skill (Intelligence Officer or Law Enforcement), Soldier and Survival use the Slow progression.

Note that optic MinST assumes the use of both hands to keep the optic stable. Using only one hand increases MinST by x1.5 or x1.2 if the strap is used to help keep the optic stable or the elbow is placed on a firm surface (Ready maneuver). Using the strap or a stabilising surface reduces MinST to x0.8 when using both hands. Bracing the optic against a suitable object or using a bipod reduces MinST to x2/3. If not using equipment designed to brace optics, roll Scrounging, Survival or Per-based Soldier to look for a suitable object or feature and roll vs. appropriate skill or technique, e.g. DX-based Observation, Photography or Precision Aiming, to achieve a stable position. This will often limit motion and thus limit observation to a narrow arc.

Note that no matter how strong the user is, using high magnification optics off-hand also demands very steady hands. To reflect this, the GM may require the character to use the lower of Trained ST and Trained DX to determine whether he meets the MinST requirements of optics of 11x or higher magnification. For extended observation, the GM may use the lowest of Trained ST, Trained DX and Trained HT. This will really encourage users to rely on tripods or similar means, which is realistic.

Optionally, the GM may allow a user who has x1.5 the effective MinST of his optic to treat it as stabilised, i.e. reduce Bulk by 1. To take advantage of this should always require having enough Trained ST, Trained DX and Trained HT to meet this requirement.

Effective Weight and MinST
Less than 0.5 lb. = 4
Less than 1 lb. = 5
Less than 2 lbs. = 6
Less than 2.5 lbs. = 7
Less than 3 lbs. = 8
Less than 3.5 lbs. = 9
Less than 4 lbs. = 10
Less than 6 lbs. = 11
Less than 8 lbs. = 12
Less than 10 lbs. = 13
Less than 12 lbs. = 14
Less than 14 lbs. = 15
Less than 16 lbs. = 16
+2 lbs. +1

Magnification level and effects on MinST
5-6x = +1
7-8x = +2
9-10x = +3
11-15x = +4
16-24x = +5
25-39x = +6
40-60x = +7
61-90x = +8
91-135x = +9
136-200x = +10

Tripods

Tripods allow the user to ignore the MinST requirement. Bulk will usually be one step less for optics stabilised by a decent tripod and exceptional ones may reduce Bulk further when mounting suitable optics (noted in individual descriptions).

Smaller tripods will not fully stabilise the highest magnifications of the heavier and more powerful spotting scopes. It also requires a heavy pan head tripod like the Vortex Pro GP to take full advantage of the highest magnification for anything but observing a stationary target. Add -1 penalty to effective Bulk and Vision when the tripod is not secure enough for the high magnification, which it will generally not be at 30x and above unless using a high quality tripod. Using a tripod that is barely rated for the weight of the optics can give up to a -2 penalty to effective Bulk and Vision, but never worse than Bracing the optics.

When using a tripod that is barely rated for the weight of a scope or trying to stabilise the maximum magnification of powerful spotting scopes, it can be helpful to use terrain features or improvised tool, as with Bracing, above. This reduces the penalty by one step.

Vortex High Country: Holdout -3; Weight 2.2 lbs.; Cost $110. Rated to support up to 5 lbs. DR 3; HT 12. Comes with a ball head and quick-release plate. Longer and slimmer when folded than the Summit.

Vortex Summit SS-P: Holdout -3; Weight 2 lbs.; Cost $180. Rated to support up to 5 lbs. DR 2; HT 11. Comes with a pan head and quick-release plate.

Ashbury Precision TACT-3 GP: Holdout -4; Weight 2.9 lbs.; Cost $650; Rated to support up to 8 lbs. Rugged; Expensive. DR 4; HT 13. Comes with a pan head and quick-release plate.

Vortex Ridgeview: Holdout -4; Weight 3.6 lbs.; Cost $180. Rated to support up to 8 lbs. DR 3; HT 12. Comes with a ball head and quick-release plate.

Vortex Pro GT: Holdout -4; Weight 4.4 lbs.; Cost $200. Rated to support up to 10 lbs. DR 3; HT 11. Comes with a pan head and quick-release plate.
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Bushnell Legend Ultra HD 10x42: Bulk -1 (Holdout -2); Weight 1.5 lbs.; Cost $200; MinST: 9†; Reduce -3 / -7 in range penalties.

Upland Optics Perception HD 10x42: Bulk -1 (Holdout -2); Weight 1.5 lbs.; Cost $250; MinST: 9†; Reduce -3 / -7 in range penalties.

Zeiss Conquest HD 10x42: Bulk -1 (Holdout -2); Weight 1.75 lbs.; Cost $1,000; MinST: 9†; Reduce -3 / -7 in range penalties; reduces darkness penalties by 1; +1 to spot fine details.

Zeiss Victory HT 10x42: Bulk -1 (Holdout -2); Weight 1.9 lbs.; Cost $3,300; MinST: 9†; Reduce -3 / -7 in range penalties; reduces darkness penalties by 1; +2 to spot fine details; reduces penalties for mirage and other atmospheric distortions by 1.

Fujinon Mariner 7x50 WPC: Bulk 0 (Holdout -3); Weight 1.9 lbs.; Cost $250; MinST: 8†; Reduce -3 / -5 in range penalties; reduces darkness penalties by 1.

Bushnell Marine 7x50: Bulk -1 (Holdout -3); Weight 2.25 lbs.; Cost $150; MinST: 9†; Reduce -3 / -5 in range penalties; reduces darkness penalties by 1.

Nikon ACULON A211 10x50: Bulk -2 (Holdout -3); Weight 2 lbs.; Cost $100; MinST: 10†; Reduce -3 / -7 in range penalties.

Vortex Viper HD 10x50: Bulk -1 (Holdout -3); Weight 1.8 lbs.; Cost $550; MinST: 9†; Reduce -3 / -7 in range penalties; reduces darkness penalties by 1.

Vortex Razor HD 10x50: Bulk -1 (Holdout -3); Weight 1.8 lbs.; Cost $1,100; MinST: 9†; Reduce -3 / -7 in range penalties; reduces darkness penalties by 1, +1 to spot fine details.

Swarovski EL Swarovision 10x50: Bulk -1 (Holdout -3); Weight 2.2 lbs.; Cost $2,800; MinST: 10†; Reduce -3 / -7 in range penalties; reduces darkness penalties by 2; +2 to spot fine details; reduces penalties for mirage or other atmospheric distortions by 1.
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Old 01-17-2018, 09:18 AM   #315
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1) Compact SBR concealment

What kind of bag or case that a lady motorcyclist might carry, or stow on her racer somewhere, is at least 21"x12"x3.5"?

As long as it has a compartment of at least that size, it can be slightly wider or deeper if that would help make it look less like a gun case. Also, that would afford space for magazines, MOLLE pouches, flashbangs and other stuff.

This size seems too big for a laptop bag, much too big for a purse. And even backpacks are not usually this long (the 21" height axis) unless they are full size expedition rucksacks, which would look ridiculous on a racing motorcycle.

What are stylish load-carrying options in these dimensions, or big enough to contain something of these dimensions, that will not draw unwanted attention?

What will minimise negative effects on bike Move and Hnd?

2) Carbine or assault rifle concealment

Aside from the excellent saddlebag scabbard solution on the Harley that I've already come across, what bag or piece of luggage would be most suitable for concealing an AR-15 (w/16" bbl and Law Tactical Folding Adaptor) or an AK-47/AKM type rifle with Zhukov folding stock?

We're talking at least 28"x10.5"x3.5" for folding stock AR-15 carbines and 25"x10.5"x3.5" for the folding stock AKM rifle.

What can a rugged looking man wearing biker clothing be carrying around all day that is this big, but won't make him look like he's carrying a gun case?

3) PDW concealment

What is a stylish and unobstrusive bag, purse, attache case or other container for a lady wearing motorcycle leathers to carry around all day which can fit something 16.5"x8"x2.2"?

This could be a laptop bag, of course. Especially if we can find a stylish, ladylike model which fits.

Briefcases are typically sized 15" to 16.5" x 11" to 13" x 4" to 6", so this fits easily in a longish briefcase.

What else could be suitable?
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Old 01-17-2018, 09:43 AM   #316
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You can fit an SBR or an AK- or AR- pistol into a tennis racket case/bag, or in some cases, a racquetball bag. The same for the folding stock carbines.

There are a number of concealed carry messenger bags or purses, mostly designed to carry handguns, rather than SBRs or carbines, but some of them might have a compartment big enough for something like an AR- pistol.
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You can fit an SBR or an AK- or AR- pistol into a tennis racket case/bag, or in some cases, a racquetball bag. The same for the folding stock carbines.
So you can!

There is something comic about the image of Danny O'Toole, former Irish blue-collar Southie tough and current black suit, black shades, black cars and black operations G-Man, walking around with a tennis bag in a small village in Chihuahua, Mexico. Especially since he is undercover as a military veteran (possible outlaw) biker working security for a rich tourist, sporting (temporary) tattoos of MC mayhem and wearing jeans, leathers and an Iron Order cut.

I guess that in O'Toole's natural habitat of government office buildings in the urban Northeast and Mid-Atlantic Coast, wearing his customary 'Uniform Suit, G-Man, for the use of, Ill-fitting', he wouldn't raise eyebrows carrying squash gear around. But he's a long way from a weekly lunch squash game with Billy Connolly from Personnel now..

Not that his boss, Ilana Rubio, the ex special operations support military intelligence HUMINT 97-Echo (MOS 35M now) and former DEA agent, undercover as a member of the Almighty Latin Kings & Queen Nation, would look more appropriate toting a raquet. The fact that she insisted on bringing a flashy racing motorcycle with zero to no cargo capacity doesn't help her conceal what is, frankly, a somewhat concerning amount of weapons.

It's February in Chihuahua, less than an hour from Ciudad Juarez and just at the Rio Grande border to the US, but nevertheless a very rural village with muddy streets, bare-footed (and cold) children and some sort of market / fair going on. Temperature is in the high 50 degrees Fahrenheit, maybe hitting the 60s nearer noon.

What could someone have bought or brought that is 21", 25" or 28" long?

What does one carry around that size? (Or pretend to carry as one conceals a weapon, as the case may be)

Ghettoblaster boomboxes of such a size are surely a thing of the past, even in one of the most impoverished, threatened and unhappy communities in Mexico.

Some tools?

Something which a farmhand, rancher or mechanic might bring to a market... or a bag for something he plans to buy there?

Something their undercover identities could be buying or carrying for the rich tourist who ostensibly employs them as security?

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There are a number of concealed carry messenger bags or purses, mostly designed to carry handguns, rather than SBRs or carbines, but some of them might have a compartment big enough for something like an AR- pistol.
So far, I've not found a model that works, though a custom job would probably fit the MP7A1 PDW in a messenger bag. The ideal way to carry it would be a purse designed around a quick-draw scabbard, but I don't think I've ever seen a lady's purse that could fit a 16.5-inch long object. I think at that point, the bag has ceased to be a fashionable accessory and become cumbersome luggage.

I don't know where she could conceivably stash an AR-15 style SBR with 12" barrel, folding stock, laser unit, flashlight and a S&B Short Dot PMII 1.1-4x20 scope. Maybe if it didn't have everything but a coffee maker mounted...

She does have a hiding place for it in the SUV, but, wouldn't you know it, the first suggestion from our local contact is leaving that shiny monstrousity parked at his ranch and everyone driving down to the village market in his beat up pick-up.

I realiste that there is a school of thought that will suggest simply leaving all longarms behind. That is usually the sensible course of action.

However, the specific village in question, Guadalupe, Chihuahua, has been in the running for highest murder rate in the world. It's been the site of brutal turf battles between rival cartels and what appears to be a concerted campaign by paid gangsters (probably the same cartels) to intimidate, kidnap, torture, rape and kill enough property owners in the Juarez Valley to enable a consortion to purchase every plot of land there, in anticipation of a natural gas pipeline.

Not to mention that Guadalupe is also the last place anyone saw the team of AWOL US 7th SFG (A) Green Berets that the PCs are supposed to track down and convince to turn themselves in. And that the alleged Jefe of the local faction of the Knight Templars cartel, which has brutalised its way to the top of the local dungheap, happens to be an escaped criminal and deserter from that exact same Special Forces Group. He served with all of these men. And suspected stringers, lookouts and gunmen from the Knight Templars cartel have been spotted all over the Juarez Valley, concentrated heavily around Guadalupe.

So, nobody is ruling out the possibility that a convoy of cartel gunmen armed with heavy weaponry will attempt an assassination or kidnapping. Or, at the absolute worst, that a team of long service, senior NCOs of the USASF will react violently to the presence of our heroes.

Going to feel pretty naked with only a pistol for self-defence then, yessir.
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1) Compact SBR concealment

What kind of bag or case that a lady motorcyclist might carry, or stow on her racer somewhere, is at least 21"x12"x3.5"?
For this purpose, I'm selecting a Chrome Industries Welterweight Citizen Messenger Bag built around a large Undercover Holster, large enough for an SBR, specifically an Alexander Arms Entry in .50 Beowulf with a special 12" barrel, LAW Tactical folding stock adapter and Magpul CTR stock.

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2) Carbine or assault rifle concealment

...what bag or piece of luggage would be most suitable for concealing an AR-15 (w/16" bbl and Law Tactical Folding Adaptor) or an AK-47/AKM type rifle with Zhukov folding stock?

We're talking at least 28"x10.5"x3.5" for folding stock AR-15 carbines and 25"x10.5"x3.5" for the folding stock AKM rifle.
At least for one of the AR-15 type rifles, a Colt LE6920 carbine, I've opted for a Skyline 28" Duffel bag.

The AKM type with folding stock (Zastava N-PAP with Zhukov stock) is going in a Snugpack Endurance 40L bag. Edit: Misread the dimensions there. That would only work with a shorter barrel AKM variant. With the full-sized Zastava N-PAP, even with a folded stock and even with the weapon packed at a slant to maximise the space, it would leave 2-3" of barrel sticking out.

Which means that I'm still looking for a backpack that can be worn while riding an off-road motorcycle that would fit a 25" long folded rifle.

I'm also still looking for a bag to stash a Bushmaster Carbon 15 rifle with a LAW Tactical folding stock adapter, for Special Agent Danny O'Toole in disguise as an Iron Order biker. I think a gym bag might do, but would like to find some brand and model that fits his cover and looks cool. It's not as if he won't look suspicious whatever he carries...

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3) PDW concealment

What is a stylish and unobstrusive bag, purse, attache case or other container for a lady wearing motorcycle leathers to carry around all day which can fit something 16.5"x8"x2.2"?

This could be a laptop bag, of course. Especially if we can find a stylish, ladylike model which fits.

Briefcases are typically sized 15" to 16.5" x 11" to 13" x 4" to 6", so this fits easily in a longish briefcase.
I'm still looking for a stylish briefcase in this size, something that a Navy SEAL DEVGRU Special Warfare Operator adapted to carry his MP7A1 PDW when providing unobstrusive security and loaned to Special Agent Ilana Rubio along with the weapon when she went to Mexico.

I'm considering something simple like a Solo Grand Central Attache, but I'd like a slightly more stylish, classic look.

I like the Samsonite Leather Attache. It seems to fit all my requirements.
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Going to feel pretty naked with only a pistol for self-defence then, yessir.
Gangsters used to carry Tommy guns in violin cases. Doubtful anybody thought they were violinists.

In the environment you describe it's likely that concealment of weapons is superficial by all the regular "players". What are all the locals carrying THEIR rifles around in? Unless your party is trying to look like completely moronic tourists superficial concealability should be fine unless there's some reason the bad guys can do this and your players can't.

If that IS the case they are NEVER going to outgun or even equal-gun enemies who really don't have to worry about concealing long arms when the players do especially if the olayers have to be able to withstand a search of the vehicle.

There are some compensations that can be made: Sig MPX or Serbu Super Shorty with folding stocks would fit in a messenger bag or similar but still can't compete with enemies who can carry long arms openly or semi-openly.

You could stash a rifle in the headliner of some trucks, or in a crate in the bed or under the dash but in an ambush that's going to take time to get into action.

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His job actually was responding to police requests for phone data, when they arrived
The way a criminal enterprise or foreign intelligence operation would do it is by subverting someone like your client.

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Old 01-27-2018, 06:42 AM   #320
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Default Re: Undercover bags for concealing weapons

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I'm still looking for a stylish briefcase in this size, something that a Navy SEAL DEVGRU Critical Skills Operator adapted to carry his MP7A1 PDW when providing unobstrusive security and loaned to Special Agent Ilana Rubio along with the weapon when she went to Mexico.

I'm considering something simple like a Solo Grand Central Attache, but I'd like a slightly more stylish, classic look.

I like the Samsonite Leather Attache. It seems to fit all my requirements.
Is a briefcase a must? Can it be something like a laptop bag or a messenger bag? Would something like this Samsonite work? Or this one?
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