10-01-2018, 08:24 PM | #1 |
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Sydney
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Things players say to me
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Where do you want to kick him Player: It says here that skull is -7 to hit. We do tai kwan do and its easier to hit the head than the body. Me: yeah and I do Muay Thai and Im pretty sure the GURPS MA authors know martial arts. Are you really sure that you arent just practicing hitting the head over and over again in a sporting environment and that means you think that its easier but in real life people tend to raise their hands to block their head. Do you also think that maybe the head is a smaller target than the large torso and generally people trying to hit it with projectiles and weapons have at least some penalty. Player: no the head is easier to hit. Me: .... |
10-01-2018, 09:35 PM | #2 |
Join Date: Mar 2013
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Re: Things players say to me
Generally I would say something like: "OK well thank you for your feedback, however I'm leaving this rule as written".
EDIT In game I don't encourage a lot of back and forth, so essentially I shut it down by making a decision and saying we can discuss after the session for future games. Nothing worse than having a combat stop while we get into 30 minute debate about volumetric fireballs or other esoteric technicalities. EDIT2 Also, Skull isn't the whole head anyway. Last edited by mr beer; 10-02-2018 at 12:37 AM. |
10-02-2018, 01:15 AM | #3 | |
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Re: Things players say to me
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On the other hand, you could also say that in Tae Kwon Do, they teach you techniques to buy off the penalty to strike the head (That's on the martial arts book). - Hide |
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10-02-2018, 02:42 AM | #4 | |
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Location: Sydney
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Its more the not convincing them that bothers me and they no doubt went back to a system that deals with hit locations and close combat in a less realistic, more abstracted way than GURPS. As it is it was a convention game and I was demoing- I think the real lesson is I am going to limit the kind of demos I run at cons and assess the worth of me demoing at a con. Its a lot of work and I'm really only doing it to promote GURPS. Its not rewarding when people don't seem very interested. |
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10-02-2018, 03:37 AM | #5 |
Join Date: Aug 2018
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Re: Things players say to me
Don't give up promoting something you like.
RPGs have attracted people with little real world experience for over 40 years. It's just the nature of the beast. |
10-02-2018, 03:58 AM | #6 | |
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In short, GURPS seems a very head kick-friendly game to me... (Then again, if the gist of the players' complaint is "Sure, it's easy enough to kick a head with all those factors, but that should be easier than kicking the body... well, that just sounds wacky to me. But to repeat from the above, with Hit Location and Trademark Move, GURPS makes it almost as easy for a skilled practitioner to kick a head as to kick a body. What other RPG with meaningful hit locations can offer that?)
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10-02-2018, 04:03 AM | #7 | |
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10-02-2018, 04:27 AM | #8 |
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Udine, Italy
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Re: Things players say to me
Apart from everything else, and assuming the discussion does not take place during the gaming (which is rightly a no-no), what I see is that you provided explanations, and they did not, save "with this martial art it's easier".
Now, I know nothing about martial arts in real life, and you don't practice Tae Kwon Do, but even so, if they are unable to explain in simple terms, even to ignorant people, what are the actual factors that make hitting the head easier, then their argument sounds iffy to me. |
10-02-2018, 05:12 AM | #9 |
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Sydney
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Re: Things players say to me
I don't think promoting GURPS to people who aren't really interested is something I like.
As it is: I probably won't try to GM at that con again. The people were perfectly welcoming and friendly I just think they have systems they like and I'd prefer to go as a player (and play another system that we might both like) rather than a GM (who GM's a system that they don't like). |
10-02-2018, 06:39 AM | #10 |
Join Date: Sep 2007
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Re: Things players say to me
"Easier to kick the head because that's the only target I spent all my time practicing to kick" is not the same thing as "easier to kick the head because smaller, more distant targets are inherently easier to hit than the body or the knee".
I'm hardly a TKD expert and probably couldn't kick above my waist if I had to. But it sounds like putting points into a favorite Technique to me. You also might avoid body kicks because they're less effective, or because it's much easier for the target to trap your leg that way. That might make the head a preferable target -- but again, that would be choosing the head because it's smarter tactically, which is also not the same thing as "easier to hit". GURPS die rolls aren't designed to lead unknowing novices into choosing the smartest, most effective option because that one has the fewest penalties. You could design a game that way -- Feng Shui had at least a few nods to making action movie silliness the more effective smart choice, mechanically speaking, to encourage players to choose that sort of behavior. But that's not GURPS' normal style. |
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