08-08-2018, 04:03 AM | #1 |
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Critical success on 4+ dice
Defending and Dodging, AM p 18:
4 and 5 are still automatic hits; 20 and above automatic misses; 21 and 22 are dropped weapons; and 23 and 24 are broken weapons RAW defending eliminates chance of 3x damage. The new rules on weapons expertise mean there will be plenty of rolls to hit on 5D. By extrapolation of the 4D rule, this would eliminate possibility of 2x damage as well. That's fine, but just wondering whether anyone has tried shifting things, eg 4 on 4D = 3x damage 5 on 4D = 2x damage |
08-08-2018, 09:44 AM | #2 |
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Re: Critical success on 4+ dice
Sure, it's hardly even a factor though because the odds are:
4 on 4d: 1 in 1,296 5 on 5d: 1 in 7,776 Somewhat trickier is looking at the odds for each roll for each number of dice, choosing what you want to happen to the odds in each case, and then finding numbers you like. e.g. ITL gives numbers that more or less keep the same odds at the ends of higher-die rolls, but do you want that, or do you want the odds of crit success/fail to shift for harder rolls? Unfortunately, when I've looked at it, it seemed to me there weren't really especially convenient numbers to use that worked out the ways I was hoping for with one die roll for each number of dice. It might work better to use the ITL "same odds" system, but if you actually do roll that, then have the figure roll the same number again - if they make it, it's a double. Roll again. If they make that, it's a triple. Or something along those lines but with some statistics checking the odds. Last edited by Skarg; 08-08-2018 at 09:48 AM. |
08-08-2018, 10:27 AM | #3 |
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Re: Critical success on 4+ dice
Another strange effect is that a starting 32 point character with ST16,DX8 and Full plate is actually playable. He misses a lot, but he can also take a lot of damage and he doesn't care about temporary negative adjustments to adjDX. He still lives for the 5 auto hit.
I am not saying it is a good character, but it is not the worst and some normal characters like 12/12 Broadsword/small shield guy won't win more than twice as often. So for characters that rely on auto hit, these rules really matters. :-) |
08-08-2018, 12:20 PM | #4 |
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08-08-2018, 02:26 PM | #5 | |
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08-08-2018, 03:08 PM | #6 | |
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But that's only good IF that is really what you want. |
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08-08-2018, 06:44 PM | #7 |
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08-08-2018, 11:46 PM | #8 | |
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08-09-2018, 05:51 AM | #9 |
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Below I've added a table of probabilities for critical success/failures on 3d, 4d, and 5d attacks. For 4D and 5D I've also included the required rolls, taken from RAW for 4D, and what turned out to be very close for 5D.
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Outcome . 3D . 4D . 5D 3x damage 0.5 zero . zero 2x damage 1.4 0.1 . zero auto-hit . 2.8 0.3 . 0.01 auto-miss 2.8 2.7 (20) 2.6 (24) drop wpn 1.4 2.3 (21-22) 2.5 (25-26) break wpn 0.5 0.4 (23-24) 0.8 (27-30) |
08-09-2018, 05:54 AM | #10 | |
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I am a little worried that increasing the number of dice rolled for difficult attempts doesn't scale beautifully if you don't slide the chance of crit successes as well as failures. If generalised beyond combat, it also means that saving throws, eg on 5D are not only basically impossible but remove the fun possibilities of an unlikely critical success. I think because of this, we will give Skarg's suggestion a try. Last edited by RobW; 08-09-2018 at 06:00 AM. |
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