Granting INT to Unthinking Object

Coinage · 11-08-2019, 08:40 AM

Is there an Advantage or Ability that can grant Intelligence to an otherwise Unintelligent Object? Would it be a version of Affliction?

Harald387 · 11-08-2019, 09:26 AM

GURPS Magic offers Independence and Initiative, which are specific to 'granting the semblance of intellect to an illusory thing' but at least offer some decent guidelines for what might be reasonable.

"Independence" is nothing more than allowing the subject to follow programmed responses. This would be best modeled with Control (Powers p.90) with levels of Persistent and Extended Duration, and isn't really imparting any intelligence at all - it's just letting the subject react according to the programmed instructions.

"Initiative" is much more complex, and I'd model it with an Affliction granting IQ and a Cosmic Modular Ability that the user could fill with skills they had. This wouldn't impart any ability to communicate if the subject isn't already capable of that; if you want a spell that makes a talking rock, you're probably going to need to give it a mouth at the very least, or also afflict it with SOME form of communication ability.

"Grant IQ to an IQ 0 object" is a bit too broad to cover with any one power. What, specifically, are you trying to accomplish?

Coinage · 11-08-2019, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Harald387

"Initiative" is much more complex, and I'd model it with an Affliction granting IQ and a Cosmic Modular Ability that the user could fill with skills they had. This wouldn't impart any ability to communicate if the subject isn't already capable of that; if you want a spell that makes a talking rock, you're probably going to need to give it a mouth at the very least, or also afflict it with SOME form of communication ability.

"Grant IQ to an IQ 0 object" is a bit too broad to cover with any one power. What, specifically, are you trying to accomplish?

I think that the "Initiative" is what I am looking for. So, you're saying it would be basically Affliction which grants an Attribute Bonus, specifically for IQ, with the Permanent Enhancement. If the target has an INT of 0 (like a rock), then it would still grant IQ, but other advantages or modifiers would have to be added to make the rock to be able to do anything else.

Basically, it would be an Attribute Bonus, as discussed here:

http://forums.sjgames.com/showthread.php?t=166210

awesomenessofme1 · 11-08-2019, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Coinage

I think that the "Initiative" is what I am looking for. So, you're saying it would be basically Affliction which grants an Attribute Bonus, specifically for IQ, with the Permanent Enhancement. If the target has an INT of 0 (like a rock), then it would still grant IQ, but other advantages or modifiers would have to be added to make the rock to be able to do anything else.

Not sure what the price is, but you'd definitely want to add a limitation along the lines of "only on objects". Wouldn't save you too many points when you're spending hundreds of % on advantages and 300% on Permanent, but you should still do it.

Coinage · 11-08-2019, 11:13 AM

Got it, thx

Black Leviathan · 11-08-2019, 11:20 AM

I keep thinking of the "I have no mouth yet I must scream" scenario. Then I started thinking about what suddenly having awareness of the world and also the power to speak would be like. I imagine there would be a lot of questions. Also I figure art would be very angry for being objectified, kind of like waking up and finding someone staring at your naked body.

~~NineDaysDead~~ · 11-08-2019, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Coinage

Would it be a version of Affliction?

Yes, Affliction would do it. But remember, Objects have no senses, so you'd need to afflict those too, and no ability to act, which you'd need to afflict as well. It's doable, but expensive.

~~NineDaysDead~~ · 11-08-2019, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Leviathan

I keep thinking of the "I have no mouth yet I must scream" scenario. Then I started thinking about what suddenly having awareness of the world and also the power to speak would be like. I imagine there would be a lot of questions. Also I figure art would be very angry for being objectified, kind of like waking up and finding someone staring at your naked body.

Art gets off easy...

Mysterious Dark Lord v3.2 · 11-08-2019, 03:07 PM

Not really a lot of point to it. All the object will have time for is to think "Oh no, not again," before landing in the crater made by a falling whale.

Anthony · 11-08-2019, 04:36 PM

The other thing you can do is have a summonable ally that occupies objects, though this isn't especially easy to implement (some form of morph, possibly).

11-08-2019, 08:40 AM	#1
Coinage Join Date: Jan 2018	Granting INT to Unthinking Object Is there an Advantage or Ability that can grant Intelligence to an otherwise Unintelligent Object? Would it be a version of Affliction?

11-08-2019, 09:26 AM	#2
Harald387 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Ottawa, ON, CA	Re: Granting INT to Unthinking Object GURPS Magic offers Independence and Initiative, which are specific to 'granting the semblance of intellect to an illusory thing' but at least offer some decent guidelines for what might be reasonable. "Independence" is nothing more than allowing the subject to follow programmed responses. This would be best modeled with Control (Powers p.90) with levels of Persistent and Extended Duration, and isn't really imparting any intelligence at all - it's just letting the subject react according to the programmed instructions. "Initiative" is much more complex, and I'd model it with an Affliction granting IQ and a Cosmic Modular Ability that the user could fill with skills they had. This wouldn't impart any ability to communicate if the subject isn't already capable of that; if you want a spell that makes a talking rock, you're probably going to need to give it a mouth at the very least, or also afflict it with SOME form of communication ability. "Grant IQ to an IQ 0 object" is a bit too broad to cover with any one power. What, specifically, are you trying to accomplish? __________________ M2: Everything is true. GP: Even false things? M2: Even false things are true. GP: How can that be? M2: I don't know man, I didn't do it.

11-08-2019, 11:13 AM	#5
Coinage Join Date: Jan 2018	Re: Granting INT to Unthinking Object Got it, thx

11-08-2019, 11:20 AM	#6
Black Leviathan Join Date: Sep 2018	Re: Granting INT to Unthinking Object I keep thinking of the "I have no mouth yet I must scream" scenario. Then I started thinking about what suddenly having awareness of the world and also the power to speak would be like. I imagine there would be a lot of questions. Also I figure art would be very angry for being objectified, kind of like waking up and finding someone staring at your naked body.

11-08-2019, 03:07 PM	#9
Mysterious Dark Lord v3.2 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The deep dark haunted woods	Re: Granting INT to Unthinking Object Not really a lot of point to it. All the object will have time for is to think "Oh no, not again," before landing in the crater made by a falling whale. __________________ "When you talk about damage radius, even atomic weapons pale before that of an unfettered idiot in a position of power." - Sam Starfall from the webcomic Freefall

11-08-2019, 04:36 PM	#10
Anthony Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Berkeley, CA	Re: Granting INT to Unthinking Object The other thing you can do is have a summonable ally that occupies objects, though this isn't especially easy to implement (some form of morph, possibly). __________________ My GURPS site and Blog.