07-23-2014, 03:23 PM | #1411 | |
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Though if talking while falling asleep I stop making sense, but will continue speaking. I've even done it while awake but when my mind wanders, and my mouth continues. Autopilot can do some odd things. There is no one me. I am an averaging of many brain modules and voices doing separate things not always toward a common goal.
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07-23-2014, 03:34 PM | #1412 | |
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07-23-2014, 03:36 PM | #1413 | |
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But since then further studies on the mechanics of the brain support the view the humans can only mimic human behavior as well, so a machine that mimics human behavior is just as good. If you want to take that as meaning no one understands Chinese, and thus no one truly understands anything, that takes us back to the position of Socrates, which is not a terribly bad place to be. |
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To clarify: Searle's famous thought experiment "The Chinese Room", is either flawed or is something I don't understand. The logical conclusion (I think) is that if does it demonstrates that AI cannot be sapient, then the same logic demonstrates that sapience doesn't actually exist in any thinking system. Which I don't think is what Searle actually meant. By "nobody actually speaks Chinese" I meant that the criterion by which Searle concludes that the AI doesn't actually speak Chinese applies to any system (including human consciousness) that purports to speak Chinese. Quote:
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07-23-2014, 04:25 PM | #1415 | |
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This sort of plurality of consciousness idea in cognitive science goes back at least as far Marvin Minsky, and has gained support from studies since. |
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07-23-2014, 06:05 PM | #1416 | |
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People still talk about the Chinese Room, too and some smart people seem to think that it is correct, AFAICT. |
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07-23-2014, 06:26 PM | #1417 | |
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07-23-2014, 06:31 PM | #1418 | |
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More immediately there's whatever this means: |
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07-23-2014, 07:00 PM | #1419 |
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already done them, next please
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07-23-2014, 07:52 PM | #1420 | |
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If something is just outside my field of view on the right side, that hand will sometime jerk and flick it away without my conscious awareness. It's also jerked and stabbed my left hand on three or so occasions. I can't not think that our minds are multitudes.
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