06-05-2014, 08:51 AM | #1401 |
Computer Scientist
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Dallas, Texas
|
Re: Ghosts and Mind Copies - The Identity Question
From the viewpoint of Hebrews in antiquity, having your entire family die by an act or acts of God is not an unusual occurrence. The sudden change of fortunes for the better following such an event probably was, though.
|
07-22-2014, 01:17 PM | #1402 |
Wielder of Smart Pants
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Ventura CA
|
Re: Ghosts and Mind Copies - The Identity Question
I can't think of any thing that can support this, that doesn't also "prove" that humans aren't actually aware either. I'm fairly convinced that human consciousness, identity, whatever you want to call is an emergent property of a very complex system. I see no reason why a similar system composed of computer hardware and software can't generate an analogous emergent property, theoretically anyway.
|
07-22-2014, 06:35 PM | #1403 | |
Untagged
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Forest Grove, Beaverton, Oregon
|
Re: Ghosts and Mind Copies - The Identity Question
Quote:
__________________
Beware, poor communication skills. No offense intended. If offended, it just means that I failed my writing skill check. |
|
07-22-2014, 06:45 PM | #1404 |
Wielder of Smart Pants
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Ventura CA
|
Re: Ghosts and Mind Copies - The Identity Question
Yeah, as far as I can tell the Chinese Room means that nobody "actually" speaks Chinese; which tells me that either the premise of the experiment is flawed, or that I don't actually understand it.
|
07-22-2014, 06:51 PM | #1405 |
Computer Scientist
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Dallas, Texas
|
Re: Ghosts and Mind Copies - The Identity Question
eh? The people outside the room speak it, and the person who wrote the instructions for the room operator spoke it.
|
07-22-2014, 07:15 PM | #1406 |
Wielder of Smart Pants
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Ventura CA
|
Re: Ghosts and Mind Copies - The Identity Question
Or do they have a sophisticated system for parsing the language and an internal lexicon of Chinese words? Don't they just have a set of instructions for speaking Chinese, just in their memories and speech centers rather than a filing cabinet. If the expirement proves that an AI doesn't actually speak Chinese because it is just using an internal set of instructions to do so, how is a Chinese speaker any different?
|
07-22-2014, 11:35 PM | #1407 | |
Computer Scientist
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Dallas, Texas
|
Re: Ghosts and Mind Copies - The Identity Question
Quote:
I. The author knows Chinese and the language of the operator but does not know what conversation will take place. II. The operator can see what characters are coming and going and knows how to look them up and see what characters to respond with, but does not know what they mean, and III. The books contain the rules for how to generate outputs based on inputs, but have no capacity to act. |
|
07-23-2014, 01:54 AM | #1408 | ||||
Wielder of Smart Pants
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Ventura CA
|
Re: Ghosts and Mind Copies - The Identity Question
As I said, either it's flawed or I don't understand it.
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
|
||||
07-23-2014, 07:33 AM | #1409 | ||||
Computer Scientist
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Dallas, Texas
|
Re: Ghosts and Mind Copies - The Identity Question
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
|
||||
07-23-2014, 11:00 AM | #1410 | ||||||
Wielder of Smart Pants
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Ventura CA
|
Re: Ghosts and Mind Copies - The Identity Question
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
|
||||||
Tags |
verhängnisthread |
|
|