12-14-2018, 08:03 AM | #11 |
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Re: [Basic] Disadvantage of the Week: Honesty
Standard afflictions cannot inflict self-imposed mental disadvantages (B36). This includes Honesty, among others (B121).
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12-14-2018, 08:26 AM | #12 |
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Re: [Basic] Disadvantage of the Week: Honesty
I think this is one of the most egregiously misnamed characteristics in the whole rule-set. In any putative future edittions, I would recommend subsuming it under the Compulsive Behavior category as Compulsion: Obey Authority or something like that.
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12-14-2018, 08:41 AM | #13 |
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Re: [Basic] Disadvantage of the Week: Honesty
For one version. That's much of the problem: it's not clear whether the trait is supposed to be a Geas, a Compulsive Behavior, a Vow, or a Code of Honor, and they'd all function differently in the "edge" cases of unclear or unjust laws.
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12-14-2018, 08:41 AM | #14 |
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Re: [Basic] Disadvantage of the Week: Honesty
Agreed. And make a note that it might be bundled with a positive Reputation and list it as a worked example.
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12-14-2018, 08:48 AM | #15 |
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Re: [Basic] Disadvantage of the Week: Honesty
I think its more often used as a code of honor or a vow than as a compulsive behavior .
Honesty when taken should probably specify a law or group of laws that the character follows. Transforming honesty into an instance of a disadvantage with adjustable parameters lets you do this, and it helps understanding the failure modes. That's really were honesty is unclear: the failure modes. for most play, its quite clear, but failure modes are among the most interesting cases, rather than boring boring edge cases. I do appreciate that some disadvantage representing this is in the book, because its very common, and I know many players look through the book for inspiration on disadvantages or to check if they've forgotten something the character would have.
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12-14-2018, 09:14 AM | #16 |
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Re: [Basic] Disadvantage of the Week: Honesty
Honesty isn't about obeying authority. If an authority gives an illegal order, an Honest person is obligated to disobey.
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12-14-2018, 09:19 AM | #17 | |
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Re: [Basic] Disadvantage of the Week: Honesty
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12-14-2018, 09:32 AM | #18 | |
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The Honest character would also be obligated to do what he could to force others to follow the law and avoid any form of resistance after surrender, up to and including informing on anyone he knew to be violating the terms of surrender. That various actions were retroactively judged illegal doesn't change the fact the were the law for the purposes of Honesty in Germany and occupied Europe. It's not like Honesty includes precognition for future changes of laws.
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12-14-2018, 10:00 AM | #19 |
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Re: [Basic] Disadvantage of the Week: Honesty
Honesty is badly named especially with Truthfulness in the mix.
I'd call it 'Law-abiding'. And it's great fun if you like being all passive-aggressive with the usual bunch of conscienceless mercenaries and murder-hobos who make up most adventurers. It's not a mental affliction, though I've had players who treat my characters as lunatics when they bring it up. It's a belief in the values of a stable and just society. Even if a society is only mostly just, the rule of law has a purpose. You could get (and I think I have gotten) some excellent role-playing out of the moment when the Honest character realises that the society he lives in no longer serves the values he holds in his heart and that now everywhere is the wildlands where there is no law.
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12-14-2018, 10:07 AM | #20 |
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Re: [Basic] Disadvantage of the Week: Honesty
I can imagine characters turning themselves in to protest unjust laws rather than hiding or lying about it. Like those who vocally protested the Vietnam war going to jail rather than leave the country.
How else would such a person be defined in Gurps other than the RAW Honesty?
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