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Old 01-04-2016, 10:47 PM   #1
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Would Enhanced Time Sense give you any advantage against Illusion spells and powers?
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Old 01-04-2016, 10:49 PM   #2
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Would Enhanced Time Sense give you any advantage against Illusion spells and powers?
Depends whether the illusion is trying to emulate things that would be noticeably different at a high frame rate -- for example, lights with a 60Hz flicker, or a television screen.
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Old 01-04-2016, 11:01 PM   #3
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So, probably not at tl 4.
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Old 01-05-2016, 01:45 AM   #4
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Definitely not at TL4.
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Old 01-05-2016, 02:29 AM   #5
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So, probably not at tl 4.
Mostly not, though perhaps if they're making an illusion of a hummingbird or something similar.
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Old 01-05-2016, 06:16 AM   #6
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Why would the illusion be any different than reality for someone with ATR ?
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Old 01-05-2016, 07:24 AM   #7
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Why would the illusion be any different than reality for someone with ATR ?
Not Altered Time Rate, Enhanced Time Sense, which says:
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For example, you cannot be fooled by a projected image, because you can see the individual frames of the film.
ATR says nothing about improved perception, it just gives a second maneuver per turn.

ETS lets you notice things like an illusion always reacting at the same time( or after) a specific other person, or an illusion letting a solid surface penetrate it for a split second before it gets corrected by the controller of the illusion.

I suspect that there would be other tell-tale signs to ETS that something is just an image, much like someone with thermal imaging would more easily notice an undead or an illusion with an incorrect heat signature.

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Old 01-05-2016, 07:27 AM   #8
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Perhaps they were thinking of Enhanced Time Sense, which says:


ATR says nothing about improved perception, it just gives a second maneuver per turn.
Eh, Supers explains what levels of ATR are needed to replicate the more modest feats of ETS (such as catching bullets). The point costs of those levels are quite high, though.
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Old 01-05-2016, 10:23 AM   #9
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I think that for it's cost, ETS is somewhat underpowered unless one is liberal with regards to what it can be applied to. For this reason, I would allow it to benefit one's ability to discern illusion in most campaigns. It could give a bonus to a roll (e.g. to the contest for the Illusion advantage) or give a (perhaps penalized) roll to someone who otherwise wouldn't get one. I would probably use either +2 or +4 as the bonus depending on the campaign to be consistent with certain precedents in GURPS Powers.

Naturally, I would give no benefit if the illusion creator also had ETS. In fact, I may even be convinced to allow an illusionist with ETS to claim a bonus to their effectiveness vs those who did not have ETS. If that seemed too overpowered, I would think that ETS would at least provide an illusionist justification to take Reliable (or the equivalent) on their illusion abilities.
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Old 01-05-2016, 10:35 AM   #10
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I think that for it's cost, ETS is somewhat underpowered unless one is liberal with regards to what it can be applied to.
Eh, Enhanced Time Sense is probably underpriced, though its behavior is also a bit nonsensical since it can't give extra time bonuses, which is the logical effect of the way it's described. In any case, the general situation for illusions is that it's hard to make an illusion of something that the illusion crafter doesn't know exactly what looks like; thus, any illusions that contain elements that someone with ETS could see clearly but someone without ETS cannot will give bonuses to the person with ETS. On the other hand, ETS will provide no benefits for seeing through illusions of things that are unmoving or move slowly enough that normal perception is good enough.
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