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Old 11-25-2014, 07:36 PM   #11
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"Animals" should be less common than "All life".
All life isn't really more useful than all animals. Life is always near you after all.
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Old 11-25-2014, 07:48 PM   #12
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Yeah, but B48 also notes that humans are common for the purpose of Detect. Subset of animals, I'd say.
you would be wrong from GURPS point of view. in GURPS point a view animals are IQ1-5Ed

Edit also see Detect - why does it cost more to detect the common?
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Old 11-26-2014, 07:51 AM   #13
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All life isn't really more useful than all animals. Life is always near you after all.
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Please reread the Detect advantage, because you're missing a crucial part of its value: "Detect also includes the ability to analyze what you detect." Someone with Detect (Gold) can detect only gold, and then roll vs. IQ to analyze various peculiarities limited to gold. Someone with Detect (Metal) can detect aluminium, copper, gold, iron, osmium, platinum, silver, tin, and dozens of other things, and can make an IQ roll to determine which one; in effect, it acts as Detect (Gold) and a whole family of other Detect advantages.
Someone with Detect (Animals) can detect only Animals, and then roll vs. IQ to analyze various peculiarities limited to Animals. Someone with Detect (All life) can detect Animals, Humans, Orcs, Plants, and dozens of other things, and can make an IQ roll to determine which one; in effect, it acts as Detect (Animals) and a whole family of other Detect advantages.
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Old 11-26-2014, 12:19 PM   #14
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Someone with Detect (Animals) can detect only Animals, and then roll vs. IQ to analyze various peculiarities limited to Animals. Someone with Detect (All life) can detect Animals, Humans, Orcs, Plants, and dozens of other things, and can make an IQ roll to determine which one; in effect, it acts as Detect (Animals) and a whole family of other Detect advantages.
At horrendous penalties. After all, the closest life to you is always the micro-organisms on your skin.
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Old 11-26-2014, 02:03 PM   #15
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At horrendous penalties. After all, the closest life to you is always the micro-organisms on your skin.
What penalties?
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Old 11-26-2014, 05:11 PM   #16
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What penalties?
The usual task difficult modifiers for detecting things in the face of overwhelming distraction.
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Old 11-26-2014, 05:31 PM   #17
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First off, thanks to Ghost Dancer for the amazingly quick response. I checked out Plant Spells and your breakdown based on that makes the most sense to me. Especially after reading though some of the "why does it cost more to detect common" thread.
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Old 11-26-2014, 06:10 PM   #18
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The usual task difficult modifiers for detecting things in the face of overwhelming distraction.
Based on Kromm's super detect build, there are no such penalties for detect.
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Old 11-28-2014, 04:46 AM   #19
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you would be wrong from GURPS point of view. in GURPS point a view animals are IQ1-5Ed
You may be right that "humans' is not intended to be a subset of "animals" for that purpose. I don't recall seeing an actual definition, but it is obviously the case for Animal Empathy and Speak With Animals. At any rate, the utility comparison based on size alone strongly favors the latter, as a set several orders of magnitude larger.
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