Yay for 1/64!

[Magesmiley]

Originally Posted by ak_aramis

Remember guys - each mold tooled is potentially several hundred to several thousand dollars (depending upon complexity, materials), just for the mold, not counting the materials nor the setup, QC, nor packaging, shipping, warehousing.

And SJG is notorious for being hypercautious about fulfillability of KSs.

Plus, there's a much easier solution to mounting: a blob of blue-tac does nicely.

I'm aware of this. I spent a few years of my life working in injection molded plastics. It's why I suggested the colors - same mold, just clean out the barrel of any plastic left in the machine and change the additive to the plastic for the color. The main additional charge is the swapping of material. I'm assuming that they're already doing this for the included four colors - using the same mold for all of the bases.

A plastic peg mimicking the bottom of the cars would probably require new tooling (though depending on how the car molds were made it might be possible to just have a piece that gets swapped out). However... I suspect an enterprising 3D printer person might come up with one too.

But I get the desire to focus on what is currently in design.

[philreed]

Originally Posted by Magesmiley

I'm aware of this. I spent a few years of my life working in injection molded plastics. It's why I suggested the colors - same mold, just clean out the barrel of any plastic left in the machine and change the additive to the plastic for the color.

Cleaning the machine is expensive and eats into the time that it could be running. Changing plastic colors is not inexpensive or easy.

We have no plans to go beyond support for four-player games.

[Magesmiley]

Originally Posted by philreed

Cleaning the machine is expensive and eats into the time that it could be running. Changing plastic colors is not inexpensive or easy.

We have no plans to go beyond support for four-player games.

I know. Unfortunately I have a larger game group who like to play games with everyone, which is going to limit how often it gets to the table for us somewhat. :(

[TheAmishStig]

Originally Posted by Magesmiley

I know. Unfortunately I have a larger game group who like to play games with everyone, which is going to limit how often it gets to the table for us somewhat. :(

I doubt it's impossible...but with the 'ARRGH' moments I've had puttering with Ogre scenarios do understand where Phil's coming from with the warning; they can't guarantee the game will work as intended in a situation they haven't tested for and haven't planned / made decisions around, so have to be careful about managing expectations.

And yet somehow I get the feeling that the day after the "That's dedication..." backers start getting theirs there will be reports on the ways it breaks down under the strain of "larger than intended" games, suggestions for workarounds, etc...because if this community is one thing, it's very good at making Car Wars do tricks.

[steam_bucky]

I'm keen to make some 1/64 scenery once we have some more info about the game.

@ Phil - have you play tested the game with any 3d Scenery?

[Magesmiley]

Originally Posted by TheAmishStig

I doubt it's impossible...but with the 'ARRGH' moments I've had puttering with Ogre scenarios do understand where Phil's coming from with the warning; they can't guarantee the game will work as intended in a situation they haven't tested for and haven't planned / made decisions around, so have to be careful about managing expectations.

And yet somehow I get the feeling that the day after the "That's dedication..." backers start getting theirs there will be reports on the ways it breaks down under the strain of "larger than intended" games, suggestions for workarounds, etc...because if this community is one thing, it's very good at making Car Wars do tricks.

I know. I suspect that people will probably end up 3D printing additional colors of bases, whether the game is designed for it or not.

The biggest strain will be game length. I'm a bit concerned about that already when you're doing a higher point game.

There's another that I'm aware of that occurs already in 4 player (and to a lesser extent 3 player) match which would be much worse with a higher player count. You have a big advantage over to the player to your right - the ability to set your speed after they do and make multiple moves after they do is a massive advantage - it allows you to position yourself optimally to hit them and also minimize their ability to blast you. And in 4 player matches, you get that advantage 3 out of 4 turns (and 2 out of 3 in 3 player matches).

(Playtesters, if you're reading this, grab a superbooster and advanced brakes. Alternate your speed back and forth between speeds of 3 and 5. Focus your attacks on the player to your right and try to position yourself to minimize their ability to fight back.)

[schoon]

Originally Posted by Magesmiley

I know. Unfortunately I have a larger game group who like to play games with everyone, which is going to limit how often it gets to the table for us somewhat. :(

Maybe I'm being simplistic, but couldn't you just paint a set a different color to add more players?

[ColBosch]

How about we wait and see what the final game is like before we start making up house rules for it?