02-19-2016, 06:36 AM | #21 |
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Re: Alternative IQ distribution
Why not go full DnD and split Intelligence from Wisdom and Charisma?
They should probably each cost 15 points. Wisdom would include the current Per and Will stats. A few skills that are currently IQ-based can be changed to Wisdom-based, but the GM can often float checks between all three "IQ" stats. Charisma would include a level of Charisma (the advantage) but without the skill bonuses (i.e. +1 reaction per level), and would be the base stat for a bunch more skills. I like this idea for DF actually. Though Clerics have a more limited spell list than Wizards, they can use Wisdom to determine spell levels, which comes with Will and Per baked in. Wizards meanwhile get more of a monopoly on "knowledge" skills, but neither can match Bards in the social realm. |
02-19-2016, 11:08 AM | #22 | |
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20/level for the whole package is already expensive, particularly for DF-like games.
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02-19-2016, 11:54 AM | #23 |
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Re: Alternative IQ distribution
If you have issues with the way IQ is portrayed, why not just remove Perception and Will from its influence (having the characters purchase them from a base of 10) and price it at +/- 10 CP per level? Of course, that means that the some of the Talents will be as expensive or more expensive than IQ, so I would suggest banning any Talent that costs more than 5 CP/level.
Concerning the idea of a Charisma attribute, why on Earth would you want to play in a GURPS game with more expensive Charisma? Without being absurd, you can purchase the advantages of Appearance (Beautiful/Handsome) [12], Charisma 5 [25], Classical Appearance [1], Photogenic 1 [1], and Voice [10] to gain a potential +15 (!) to reaction rolls (plus the appropriate skill bonuses) under the appropriate circumstance (with 'only' +9/+11 under most circumstances) for 49 CP, a point less than a Charisma Attribute of '15'. |
02-19-2016, 04:52 PM | #24 | |||
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As to the division of mind, the purpose is to give it a little of the same treatment that physical stats already get: intuition could be thought of as a "mental dexterity", while logic could be thought of as a "mental strength". I don't think you understand the concept, I'm not talking about giving a bonus, I'm talking about certain skills being controlled by one division of IQ than another. It sounds like you're referring to luck rather than a consistent, systematic application of ability (which is my general understanding of skills, especially as they are presented in GURPS). Quote:
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I'm away from books and notes right now, so this is all I can think of, but there are quite a few interesting responses on the thought experiment. |
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02-19-2016, 05:39 PM | #25 |
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Re: Alternative IQ distribution
Strength is physical integrity, Dexterity is physical control, and Health is physical stamina. In 3e, Strength and Health were more related, but it is better in 4e.
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02-19-2016, 06:33 PM | #26 |
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02-19-2016, 07:08 PM | #27 | |
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Dx is used to make one's way through the course, not to determine the methods and best path to finish it quickly and efficiently.
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02-19-2016, 07:12 PM | #28 | |
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It kind of reminds me of lists of four objects asking which one is different. In nearly every case, while culturally one seems most obvious, cases can be made for each of the remaining three being the odd one out. It's a reason for why IQ tests are inherently flawed. Even the questions say more about the questioner than the problem or solver.
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02-19-2016, 07:18 PM | #29 | |
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Even in slightly novel situations where my supposedly higher than average human intelligence should make short work of problems I will flounder badly. (This is even before my anxiety condition flares up.) We've all heard of the dog and cats that ran into burning buildings to rescue their babies. If that isn't stupidly high willpower, then nothing is.
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02-20-2016, 02:27 AM | #30 | |
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She didn't really have to fight because the lions abandoned the combat: while the gnu was turning around her baby, clearly threatening each lion with her horns, the lions immediately understood that she was ready to fight to death and that several of them will surely be severely wounded... That's obviously a very high will! Once can object that it is maternal instinct. But a question here: can't our decisions be interpreted as instinct or unconscious drive too? If intelligence is defined as adaptation, a lot of animals suddenly put in a totally new wild environment will have more chance to survive than I do. Animals are much more will-full and intelligent that we usually think. There are several kind of intelligence. http://skyview.vansd.org/lschmidt/Pr...telligence.htm I may have a much better logical-mathematical intelligence than my cat. But he surely has a much better bodily-kinesthetic and a much better spatial intelligence than me. |
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