[MH] Weapon Master for non-warriors

[CousinX]

Originally Posted by Kuroshima

Again, what I don't want, is to render the warrior obsolete (as in, the Crusader does whatever the warrior does, only better). The warrior, apparently, has two main shticks, Blade! and Weapon Master. if I'm offering Weapon Master to the Crusader for 9 points, then it must means that Blade! is awesome enough to make the Warrior good enough.

Another option is to allow the Warrior to expand his signature abilities even further, perhaps with Trained by a Master and a broader selection of cinematic skills and techniques, or possibly by cribbing over some combat power-ups from DF. (In fact, I'd look at DF as prime material to mine perks and power-ups for various MH templates from.) And you know at least as well as anyone, Imbuements are another powerful option that could expand the warrior into places that the other templates can't easily follow ... I'm thinking of the Mystic Knight (still one of my favorite DF templates). This way, even if the Weapon Master Crusader starts to tread on the Warrior's turf, the Warrior's so much better at hacking things to pieces that the Crusader is mostly just playing back-up.

And of course, if the Crusader (and others) get to buy toned-down Warrior abilities, maybe the Warrior can buy some toned-down Crusader (and other) abilities.

Originally Posted by Kuroshima

[...] What I'm going to do, is tell him that he can not take it at character creation. It will be available as a specific prayer, and once he successfully requests it 3-4 times, he will get the chance to purchase it. He's not devoting points to extra ST, so it will be less effective with Weapon Master than with some of the alternatives

That seems quite reasonable: limit "out-of-template power-ups" to being purchased with earned points, and require that they do something in-game to qualify. I think you (or someone) mentioned that other character types might be interested in WM, like the Inhuman or Experiment ... I say let 'em, but make work for it in-game!

[Carlos]

Originally Posted by SCAR

However, since the Warrior was WM for All Weapons, I don't think it would be a big deal to allow other templates to take the 1 or 2 weapon versions of WM.

I don't think so.

First, because some players (like me) don't mind to be weapon specialists, just like the Swashbuckler and the Scout in the DF series. In fact, I think that if MH Warriors had the possibility to buy a variable Weapon Master (from 20 up to 45) and spend, let's say, 20 points to buy one melee skill at DX+5 or 24 points for DX+6, many players would choose that path.

Warriors, unlike Crusaders and Experiments, have no special powers (maybe their Striking ST 5 could be considered a power), so they rely on their Weapon Master to A) Make more attacks; B) Parry more attacks; C) Do sweet, extra damage; D) Have access to some few chi skills, possibly buying some cinematic perks and techniques too.

Advantages that increase ST like Blessed and Adrenal Muscular Trigger already offers a damage boost similar to that of Weapon Master. Allowing Crusaders to buy Weapon Master, even for one weapon, would raise their damage even further, overcoming the Warrior as the melee damage dealer. They will also attack and defend more often.

That said, Experiments, Crusaders and Inhumans with Weapon Masters are great to them, but not that nice (and fair) with Warrior, IMHO. But maybe Rev will solve that problem with a future MH issue, creating multi-lenses and Power-ups.

[Kuroshima]

Originally Posted by Carlos

I don't think so.

First, because some players (like me) don't mind to be weapon specialists, just like the Swashbuckler and the Scout in the DF series. In fact, I think that if MH Warriors had the possibility to buy a variable Weapon Master (from 20 up to 45) and spend, let's say, 20 points to buy one melee skill at DX+5 or 24 points for DX+6, many players would choose that path.

Warriors, unlike Crusaders and Experiments, have no special powers (maybe their Striking ST 5 could be considered a power), so they rely on their Weapon Master to A) Make more attacks; B) Parry more attacks; C) Do sweet, extra damage; D) Have access to some few chi skills, possibly buying some cinematic perks and techniques too.

Advantages that increase ST like Blessed and Adrenal Muscular Trigger already offers a damage boost similar to that of Weapon Master. Allowing Crusaders to buy Weapon Master, even for one weapon, would raise their damage even further, overcoming the Warrior as the melee damage dealer. They will also attack and defend more often.

That said, Experiments, Crusaders and Inhumans with Weapon Masters are great to them, but not that nice (and fair) with Warrior, IMHO. But maybe Rev will solve that problem with a future MH issue, creating multi-lenses and Power-ups.

Holy Thread Necromancy Batman!

BTW, I can talk clearly now. I was speaking about the Guide My Hand learned Prayer, from the Dungeon Saints article...

[Carlos]

Originally Posted by Kuroshima

Holy Thread Necromancy Batman!

BTW, I can talk clearly now. I was speaking about the Guide My Hand learned Prayer, from the Dungeon Saints article...

Hahaha.. Not at all. I was about to create a topic about that, but you made it first. =p

But this is a serious issue. As I presented before, the WM is the greatest Warrior advantage and gives equivalent weapon bonus damage to that of Blessed or Adrenal-Muscular Trigger (and we can't forget the improved Rapid Strike and Multiple parries)

And I forgot to say it before: Highter ST means a heavier weapon (like a Greatsword), but WM damage bonus benefits even lighter weapons.

So to allow non-warriors to have access to WM also would call for Warriors having access to other templates.