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12-11-2018, 02:19 AM | #1 |
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[Martial Arts] Roll With Blow - Passive or Active?
Let me break this into the questions I've got:
1 - Is Roll With Blow a 'defense'? Is it denied if you are denied defenses? 2 - Do you have to know the attack was incoming, or can you roll with surprise hits? I've always treated it as an Active Defense*, but it has recently been pointed out to me that there is no such stipulation in the 4e RAW write up. * Because in 3e it was only available if you missed a defense roll. |
12-11-2018, 02:49 AM | #2 |
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Re: [Martial Arts] Roll With Blow - Passive or Active?
Good question.
Since it requires active effort I would not allow it if your not allowed a defense. Otherwise, Im not sure
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12-11-2018, 03:28 AM | #3 |
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Re: [Martial Arts] Roll With Blow - Passive or Active?
good question, given it's a cinematic technique (and IMO a pretty powerful one as a default Skill-2 roll with no negative mods and no counter) I'd be tempted to say if you have no active defense option than you can't do this.
But I guess like most cinematic techniques it depends on what kind of feel you want for your combat. On thing I might be tempted to do with the technique in general is to limiting it by saying it only works for cr attacks based on Thr damage not Sw.
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12-11-2018, 06:53 AM | #4 |
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Re: [Martial Arts] Roll With Blow - Passive or Active?
Its trigger condition is being hit by a crushing attack. That's it, that's all. There are no further restrictions on when you're allowed to roll against it.
The other game mechanic to which it comes closest is Mind Block (p. B210), in that it's an always-on "discipline" that kicks in as a last ditch if you botch or don't get a defense . . . if you can make the roll. Like Mind Block, Roll with Blow doesn't totally stop the Bad Stuff, it just blunts the impact a little.
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12-11-2018, 07:47 AM | #5 | |
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Re: [Martial Arts] Roll With Blow - Passive or Active?
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I don't know, probably just my knee jerk 3eism. |
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12-11-2018, 10:24 AM | #6 |
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Re: [Martial Arts] Roll With Blow - Passive or Active?
Things that give penalties to rolls give their usual penalties . . . If you have a DX penalty for whatever reason, that'll affect Roll with Blow. Stun doesn't give a DX penalty; it penalizes active defenses. Some specific abilities are penalized for stun, too, but this one isn't; if it were, it would say so.
The point is, Roll with Blow isn't something you "use" in the classic sense, and isn't closely related to active defenses. It's more like DR with an activation roll.
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12-11-2018, 06:57 AM | #7 |
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Re: [Martial Arts] Roll With Blow - Passive or Active?
I don't know about completely banning swing, but you could add that -2 swing attacks that some of the combat skills (boxing I think) have for their parry.
All-Out Attacks were later clarified to not allow resisting certain quick contests in Technical Grappling (except ST as Mass) so them also not allowing Roll With Blow would make sense. It's not something I'd expect Berserkers or Zombies to use. |
12-11-2018, 07:41 AM | #8 | |
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Re: [Martial Arts] Roll With Blow - Passive or Active?
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thing is it's not a QC, I guess it's going to come down to how inherent and automatic you run it as being. I agree with your point about zombies etc
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