Heretical idea! WE were here first.

[PenitentDemon]

A weird idea... not sure if this would be just some peice of balserpheric propaganda, or truth in fanon, it could be either...

but the idea is "we were here first"

That a demon isnt what happens when a angel becomes disconnected from the symphony, but an angels what happens when a demon becomes connected to the symphony.

in short, this idea says demons existed first, and Angels are really outcast demons who reinvented history to suit their purposes.

any problems with this heresy, other then the obvious one of a nearly unassailable heaven?

[chris the cynic]

Originally Posted by PenitentDemon

any problems with this heresy, other then the obvious one of a nearly unassailable heaven?

Problem? That's the whole point. Why else would a demon turn his back on the proper doctrine of selfishness if not to gain power?

Those cowards couldn't cut it on their own so they ran off tried to make it as a herd by combining their symphonies (or whatever) and sure it seems to have worked out for them but at what cost? They've been infected by the slave mentality of selflessness and lost themselves in the process.

Heaven is the quick road to power, Hell is for those who are willing to take a slower path if it means they can keep their identities. Sure, Heaven is unassailable now, but wait a while and properly selfish demons will triumph in the end.

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I think that there should definitely be some Nietzsche thrown in because it fits very well with "Beyond Good and Evil". In particular if you think of Heaven as being made up of lesser beings who banded together so that, united- they could overpower their betters and then created the ideas of good and evil as a way to keep those who should be on top (demons) down.

The fact that Heaven is so powerful and has been able to rewrite history is a testament to the power of the herd, but that power wouldn't change Hell's belief that it is the strong individuals who should rule.

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At least that is how I would try to run with that idea.

[Jason]

The only tricky thing I see is why it is that demons can't "Fall Up" into being angels. But then again, the fact that angels can "Fall Down" into demons may suggest that being demonic is a celestial's natural state, and they return to it with ease...

[PenitentDemon]

two more issues.

This only really matters, if you go with this being the Truth, in fanon, anyway, though this come up with the "god is an ethereal" theory too...

Is why someone like litheroy hasnt blabbed yet.

2nd this does have a lot of potential for an "upside down" game with demons being cast as the good guys... but it can also make the ANGELS into admirable rebel's.
Seeing nothing but oppression, greed, malice,, and abuse then asking "why?" and trying to rebuild the world, into soemthing better.

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by PenitentDemon

Is why someone like litheroy hasnt blabbed yet.

After the reality quake the new reality is true, making sure it stays that way may be what Litheroy is really for.

[chris the cynic]

Originally Posted by PenitentDemon

Is why someone like litheroy hasnt blabbed yet.

That could be a serious problem, the way I would deal with it would be to say that Litheroy doesn't know. I don't remember how old he is, so I don't know if it would involve lying to him or editing his memories, but if the angels in charge are tapped into the Symphony well enough they might be able to change what it says is True the same way a Balseraph changes what a person believes is true. You basically have to assume there is something like that going on otherwise the Seraphim would be getting dissonance left and right.

In that case Litheroy could be a bigger threat to Heaven's story then all of Hell combined. He's inside and he never stops investigating.

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It's harder if Heaven is made up of noble rebels, because brainwashing/continually lying to Litheroy probably isn't something the good side should do. Then again, lying to people isn't either. So the moral problems with Litheroy are only more severe than the moral problems in general if they involve brainwashing rather than lying.

[PenitentDemon]

Hmmmn again of course all these problems are only an issue if its trught in a particular game as opposed to some random peice of balseraphic propaganda.


As balseraphic propaganda NEVER Makese sense.

[Matthias Wasser]

Originally Posted by PenitentDemon

Hmmmn again of course all these problems are only an issue if its trught in a particular game as opposed to some random peice of balseraphic propaganda.


As balseraphic propaganda NEVER Makese sense.

Unless you're being sarcastic, this is almost exactly wrong; Balseraphic dissonance conditions at least incentivize Lies be plausible, while Truth is under no such limitation.