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Old 01-20-2019, 11:48 PM   #61
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As the wording of the advantage explains, the Effective Skill is a combination of the contact's inherent actual skill level, plus bonuses from the equipment and resources available to them in their organisation- thus Effective Skill already contains an implicit, unspecified equipment bonus and helper bonus.
Thats why I am showing concern. Per the rules you can allow an equipment bonus of +4 by TL8 and complementary rolls for up to +6, which turns an effective skill of 21 into a personal skill of 11.

Is 11 the highest skill score possible, and the more resources an organization has the more useless its best employees tend to be?

If you count equipment and helper bonuses as summed up, a personal skill of 17 would require an equivalent Contact of 27 by TL8 making the formula to calculate max effective skill for a contact (maximum skill ALLOWED +6 + TL/2).
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Old 01-21-2019, 01:16 AM   #62
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Thats why I am showing concern. Per the rules you can allow an equipment bonus of +4 by TL8 and complementary rolls for up to +6, which turns an effective skill of 21 into a personal skill of 11.
Except your contact doesn't have complimentary skill rolls (unless the PC provides one.) Even if you have a contact group you're still dealing with one Contact in each place.
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Old 01-21-2019, 01:35 AM   #63
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Thats why I am showing concern. Per the rules you can allow an equipment bonus of +4 by TL8 and complementary rolls for up to +6, which turns an effective skill of 21 into a personal skill of 11.

Is 11 the highest skill score possible, and the more resources an organization has the more useless its best employees tend to be?

If you count equipment and helper bonuses as summed up, a personal skill of 17 would require an equivalent Contact of 27 by TL8 making the formula to calculate max effective skill for a contact (maximum skill ALLOWED +6 + TL/2).
I'm still at a loss of what kind of effect you're trying to achieve. Is it possible to have this more concrete?

Jane, a PC, has megacorp as her contact. In a certain situation she wants to do ..... Because of her contact and the fix for some broken rule, she can now.......

or is it:

Megacorp Inc, has .... has a contact group. Therefore, in a certain situation, they can now ........

Then, we can discuss whether this should be possible in RAW. If you are in disagreement, you propose your houserule, and ask whether there might be consequences.

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Old 01-21-2019, 04:39 AM   #64
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The second one. My proposals are two:

1) Maximum contact skill = Max skill allowed + if(group;up to +6*;0) + if(equipment>0*;up to +TL/2*;0)

2) Contact skill represents the peak personal skill found in the organization. You can add equipment and complementary rolls bonuses on top.

They are basically the same.
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Old 01-21-2019, 07:11 AM   #65
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1) Maximum contact skill = Max skill allowed + if(group;up to +6*;0) + if(equipment>0*;up to +TL/2*;0)

2) Contact skill represents the peak personal skill found in the organization. You can add equipment and complementary rolls bonuses on top.
Does the PC with Contact Group have to pay extra points to get this megacorp as their CG?

If so, they but the Contact Group at Effective Skill 31 (or whatever it is you're proposing) and pay 8 points as the base.

If not, then there's no such thing as a free lunch, and they get access to whatever Effective Skill they did pay for.
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Old 01-21-2019, 08:51 AM   #66
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Does the PC with Contact Group have to pay extra points to get this megacorp as their CG?
Of course (?).
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Old 01-21-2019, 09:00 AM   #67
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I believe that the Contact advantage is supposed to provide an individual person NPC as a Contact, and the Contact Group advantage is supposed to provide a group of individuals, and not an organization they may be part of, as Contacts.

It does not appear to me from reading GURPS Characters that an organization can be a Contact or Contact Group. My reading of Boardroom and Curia doesn't change that assessment, but if it was intended to change it, I would not permit it in my games anyway. An organization as a Contact is a wrong fit, IMO.

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Old 01-21-2019, 09:15 AM   #68
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I believe that the Contact advantage is supposed to provide an individual person NPC as a Contact, and the Contact Group advantage is supposed to provide a group of individuals, and not an organization they may be part of, as Contacts.
That's not actually what Alonsua seems to be talking about. It appears that he's referencing the use of Contact in GURPS Boardroom and Curia to represent the personnel of an organization and the skills they can provide.
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Old 01-21-2019, 09:21 AM   #69
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If so, they but the Contact Group at Effective Skill 31 (or whatever it is you're proposing) and pay 8 points as the base.
Except that the standard rules don't provide this; they allow a maximum effective skill of 21.

Of course, a house rule is always possible, though it ought to provide an effective skill of either 30 or 33 to maintain the pattern. But I think that such a high effective skill is inappropriate in a realistic campaign.
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Old 01-21-2019, 09:34 AM   #70
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Of course (?).
As in, are they paying extra for the megacorp to get these equipment and helper bonuses on its skill roll?

Would the character sheet say:
Contact Group: Megacorp, Effective Skill 21, 4 points base?
Contact Group: Megacorp, Effective Skill 31, 8 points base?
Or
Contact Group: Megacorp, Effective Skill 21, + Access to Group Bonus (+6) and TL Bonus (+4), 4 points base + X points extra?
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