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Old 01-10-2019, 03:16 PM   #1
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This is a company that I have been using for some time and I just redid it with some changes.

Assumptions.

1. This organization exists in 2019, born of the merger of four leading companies on November 14, 2003.
2. The original companies had common objectives but they developed their main activities in very different sectors, with the three most important sectors being industrials, healthcare and technology.
3. Today Genesis is basically a large conglomerate corporation which brings together the best of companies such as AT & T, Apple, Samsung, Toyota, General Motors, Samsung, McKesson, United Health, Berkshire Hathaway, ExxonMobil, Royal Dutch Shell, Glencore, AmerisourceBergen, Cardinal Health, Walmart and Amazon.
4. The value of each level of rank has been determined in accordance with the rules of the Social Engineering books.
5. The Patron value has been calculated by doubling it since it has access to cutting-edge technologies.

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1. Comment on the implausibility of the organization itself.
2. Give me ideas of how any company that exists today could destroy Genesis.
3. Tell me what the Genesis relationship could be with the national governments, considering that, originally, the company obtained international financing worth hundreds of billions in credit lines.
4. Taking into account that the majority shareholders are the founders of the original companies, bringing together a total of twenty-five percent of the shares among the four, how could they recover total shareholder control?
5. Tell me what it would take to destroy the entire organization, not in terms of applying the mechanics of disadvantages, but in narrative terms.

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When was the changepoint in the alternate history?

And what led to anti-trust legislation being effectively removed in the Western world?
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Old 01-10-2019, 03:42 PM   #3
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When was the changepoint in the akternate history?

And what led to anti-trust legislation being effectively removed in the Western world?
1. The 19th (nineteenth) century, though the new technologies appeared by the 21th.
2. How would you use them in this case?
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2. How would you use them in this case?
If they exist, the merger couldn't have happened, as it created exactly what anti-trust legislation exists to prevent.
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If they exist, the merger couldn't have happened, as it created exactly what anti-trust legislation exists to prevent.
I would need further explanation, otherwise it doesnt seem like the agencies could legimitately prevent the merger. Furthermore "The FTC's 1978 aircraft industry bribery cases grew...", so buy them.
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I would need further explanation, otherwise it doesnt seem like the agencies could legimitately prevent the merger. Furthermore "The FTC's 1978 aircraft industry bribery cases grew...", so buy them.
I assure you that nowhere near that list of "AT&T, Apple, Samsung, Toyota, General Motors, Samsung, McKesson, United Health, Berkshire Hathaway, ExxonMobil, Royal Dutch Shell, Glencore, AmerisourceBergen, Cardinal Health, Walmart and Amazon" would be able to merge without running foul of antitrust laws. Indeed, the mere suggestion would cause riotous laughter in the legal departments of any of these companies.
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I would need further explanation, otherwise it doesnt seem like the agencies could legimitately prevent the merger.
In the United States, at least, the Interstate Commerce Commission and sometimes other agencies can issue an order prohibiting a merger. In classic antitrust cases, executives of the businesses involved sometimes went to prison, though currently massive fines seem more common. And "legitimately" can be stretched; in the Alcoa Aluminum case, the company successfully showed that it had not restricted the supply of aluminum, but had steadily lowered the price and pioneered new uses for its product—in short, had not "monopolized" it in the sense most people envision—but it was still found to be in violation of the law.
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1. Comment on the implausibility of the organization itself.
"the revolutionary patents of Genesis cover levels from 10 to 11."

2 or 3 TLs ahead is implausible at least without ancillary explanation.
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Any company that advanced would be nationalized by the US government to prevent any competitor from getting the technology. The unnecessary parts would be spun off into separate companies, but every TL9+ aspect would be nationalized and kept at above top secret clearance. Anyone involved in the chattel slavery would likely also end up going to prison for the rest of their lives.

The way that a mega corporation could evolve would be to create a new technology, ruthlessly exploit it, and bribe/hire everyone who could limit their growth. As long as it does not start assassinating people, keeps its employees happy, and proves to its home nation that it more valuable in one piece than many pieces, it will likely survive. When it stops doing those three things, that is when people will start trying to destroy it.
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This is a company that I have been using for some time and I just redid it with some changes.

Assumptions.

1. This organization exists in 2019, born of the merger of four leading companies on November 14, 2003.
2. The original companies had common objectives but they developed their main activities in very different sectors, with the three most important sectors being industrials, healthcare and technology.
3. Today Genesis is basically a large conglomerate corporation which brings together the best of companies such as AT & T, Apple, Samsung, Toyota, General Motors, Samsung, McKesson, United Health, Berkshire Hathaway, ExxonMobil, Royal Dutch Shell, Glencore, AmerisourceBergen, Cardinal Health, Walmart and Amazon.
4. The value of each level of rank has been determined in accordance with the rules of the Social Engineering books.
5. The Patron value has been calculated by doubling it since it has access to cutting-edge technologies.

Tasks:

1. Comment on the implausibility of the organization itself.
2. Give me ideas of how any company that exists today could destroy Genesis.
3. Tell me what the Genesis relationship could be with the national governments, considering that, originally, the company obtained international financing worth hundreds of billions in credit lines.
4. Taking into account that the majority shareholders are the founders of the original companies, bringing together a total of twenty-five percent of the shares among the four, how could they recover total shareholder control?
5. Tell me what it would take to destroy the entire organization, not in terms of applying the mechanics of disadvantages, but in narrative terms.

Link to the pdf.

I don't understand why the stats show two different Wealth levels.

I don't think plausibility is a meaningful question given you are talking about a company that has TL10-11 technology. But there are other issues.

You mentioned that these ultra-tech innovations are patented which would mean they are recorded in a public register, making for an incompatibility with Genesis hoping to retain secrecy and exclusive possession of advanced TL. Even though the patents would protect their legal possession of the technology the knowledge itself would alter TL8 sociiety beyond recognition and would be appropriated by non-compliant regimes.

Also, eventually, patent protection expires. How old are some of the older patents already? For them to have gotten up to this level of wealth would suggest some of the products have been commercialized for some time so if the patents correspond approximately to the initial commercialization, some of them must be getting close to expiry.

It doesn't make sense that the company would pay $624,000 per year to even the lowliest employees. At that rate its annual salary costs are about 1/4 of the Startup value.

You say the four leaders are 'majority' shareholders. Who then are the minority shareholders, what proportion do they hold, and why are they willing to tolerate the astronomical salaries?

How, when and from whom did the company obtain credit lines in the hundreds of billions of dollars? What were the pre-merger valuations of the four preceding companies that merged together?

Your write up says the four leaders are controlling shareholders, but one of your questions asks how they can establish 'total shareholder control'. Do you mean how can they buy out the minority shareholders? If that's what you mean, they could use their voting control to carry out a compulsory buy out, but the arrangement would have to provide fair value to the minority interests or a court would disallow it.

As for destroying the company, I think the White Queen is the point of vulnerability.
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