06-19-2019, 06:10 AM | #21 | |
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That said, I would allow you to shapechange a one armed person into a two armed person. Though note, it wouldn't be something that made you look exactly the same. Since it only aids disquise and doesn't make it perfect, that means you couldn't look exactly like yourself. You'd have to roll to pass as yourself, meaning there would be differences. Maybe you hit an uncanny valley element? |
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06-19-2019, 06:13 AM | #22 | |
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Granted, they wouldn't look exactly like themselves anymore, which might have its own issues. |
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06-19-2019, 11:02 AM | #23 | |
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It doesn't say it has the ability to change someone into a different age or health state or even a different appearance of the same type of creature. (Hcobb is reading into the Disguise talent description to infer that it does, but I think Disguise is just talking about helping a disguise that is about being someone of a different type, not that Shapeshift lets you have whatever sort of appearance/body-condition/age you want, or else it wouldn't just be a one-die modiffier to your Disguise roll - it'd make a perfect disguise.) Moreover, the spell description also says it is the "Classic spell used to turn princes to frogs, etc.", one of the main features of which is that when someone goes back to their original form, they're back to being themselves again. Not themself but at 20 years old with no diseases, no lost body parts, no scars, and looking like Clark Gable. Of course, if a GM wants this to be an uber-panacea spell, have fun. But the logical implication seems to me that any town when an amenable wizard with this spell would be full of super-beautiful young healthy people with no deformities, warts or scars, and that wizard would be in the money. |
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06-20-2019, 01:41 AM | #24 |
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1) You are inferring as well. There is no clear answer here, just opinions. 2) I never said it should be a perfect disquise, clearly it isn't, hence my comments about how you would never look completely like yourself. 3) I doubt that disquise is intended to be required to pass as a dog...therefore it can really only follow that it matters when trying to look like someone or something specific. Also note it says you'll need new clothes, not something that is a problem unless you become humanoid. 4) Giving someone back an arm doesn't change their health state (i.e. it doesn't heal damage) and I never suggested it should. But if I can use it to give someone 8 legs, giving them back an arm shouldn't be an issue. They just have to sacrifice a big component of who they are (their appearance) to get that benefit. 5) What is it, an IQ 18 spell? REgeneration, which explicitly does cure limbloss, is IQ15. So...why care? 6) Limbloss isn't an element of normal TFT play, so why get caught up on the idea that this spell might be used to help a one-armed beggar? Quote:
Also, I never said the effect would be permanent. Your plasticine body would naturally lose the fake limb if you ever got hit with Dissolve Enchantment. Also I never said anything about diseases. Quote:
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"Normal" TFT? There are two (albeit optional) rules in AM/ITL which involve losing limbs in combat. Abnormal or not, it happens in my games, and is very significant. Like One-Armed Bill in Bendwyn, there are characters in my game world who lost limbs and decided to retire or change careers after losing a limb, because there was no way to magically replace them. If there were so simple and inexpensive a way, it invalidates the logic of them doing that. It also removes the (to me, valuably interesting and immersive) element of play where people sometimes lose their limbs in combat and then actually have to deal with that situation rather than having everything be magically and fairly trivially curable at the Wizard's Guild in most major cities. Quote:
But I've been responding to this thread mainly as a discussion about the RAW, and what exploits RAW Shapeshifting allows other than what it says: changing species and shuffling attribute points. IIRC I've written more than once that I agree it can and should be house-ruled by a GM to specify more limits and risks/consequences, and there are all sorts of ways it can be done. I've been posting here to point out both the need, and what I think is the invalidity of Hcobb's original assertion that RAW it means it can be used to trivially live forever, or in other ways that seem like an undesirable stretch to me. Quote:
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06-20-2019, 12:35 PM | #27 | |
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06-21-2019, 09:05 AM | #29 | ||
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As the book says at the end of Destruction of Magic Items, you can make items immune to lightning, so that really just adds a surcharge for durability (higher price and fewer magic effects), especially since missile spells are limited to 3 dice now (the text for Rods says you can use them to produce 20-die lightning bolts but I think as GM I'd still limit it to 3-dice at a time). I kind of like the surcharge idea because it means that durable magic items are limited to PCs who have been around a longer time. |
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06-22-2019, 03:25 PM | #30 | |
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The Wizards' Guild as written does not generally take advantage of their monopoly by charging more than their guild rates. The Legacy edition Regeneration spell just costs some fatigue, so the standard cost would be trivial (about $50, a third the list price of a 1-point healing potion . . . ) unless they break standard WG policy to gouge limbless people on prices. Again, the players who like having easy cheap limb regrowth available can enjoy that, but I'd rather have permanent crippling injuries be a part of my game worlds. |
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