01-13-2022, 01:51 PM | #11 | |
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Re: Slingshot: Why not ST-based damage?
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If you don't have that MinST you can't draw the bow/crossbow fully but you might be able to use it for partial damage from your partial pull. The GM should probably penalize all DX rolls made while attempting to carry a half-cocked crossbow and impose consequences for failure.
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01-13-2022, 02:55 PM | #12 |
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Re: Slingshot: Why not ST-based damage?
I think the best point made above was that sling shots are mass produced toys.
Bows have a draw strength which is the effective ST of the bow in question. You need to have the right draw length to be accurate with a bow, if you pull it to different spots each shot (likely when using a bow that requires more ST than you have). You could use different materials or amount to make a slingshot require more or less ST but it would be an individual thing.
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01-13-2022, 04:21 PM | #13 |
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Re: Slingshot: Why not ST-based damage?
There are slingshots for hunting that are made with crazy high tensile elastic and sturdy frames. I personally used thrust+1 for one of my players. It worked for 50+ sessions just fine.
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01-14-2022, 03:42 AM | #14 | |
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Re: Slingshot: Why not ST-based damage?
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One possibility for high-powered slingshots with longer draw lengths is to base them on crossbows, with an inflexible "tiller" and springs or elastic bands providing the energy. |
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01-15-2022, 09:08 PM | #15 |
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Re: Slingshot: Why not ST-based damage?
Does your opinion mean that bow damage should follow a set value?
Checking Pyramid #3/33, it looks like it has a specified amount of damage just like a gun. Given the limitations of the bow's elasticity, does that mean that even with ST based damage, its max power must be equal to the bow's min ST?
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01-15-2022, 09:24 PM | #16 | |
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Re: Slingshot: Why not ST-based damage?
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This is from Basic page 270: "Crossbows and ST: Bows, crossbows, and prodds have their own ST value. Use this instead of your ST to determine range and damage. You must specify the ST of such a weapon when you buy it. You can always use a weapon that is weaker than you. You can use a stronger crossbow or prodd; it does more damage but take longer to cock (see Shots, above). You cannot use a stronger bow." |
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01-17-2022, 10:16 AM | #17 | |
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Re: Slingshot: Why not ST-based damage?
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So Basic and the commercial industry simplifies slongshots. You want a stronger slingshot? Pay more for custom design, this could be higher tensile ST materials or the design itself - including thicker materials. Another difference is a slingshot can effectively be used at different ST simply by how far its pulled back. This wrecks the ACC at the tradeoff of increased damage for a stronger person while letting a weaker on still use it. So where bows have a rated ST value with damage based on it, sling shots are more versatile and max damage should be based on Min ST like most muscle powered weapons. Want a stronger one? No problem, its just probably harder to find and more expensive. But I dont feel should match a bow due to the decreased draw length, materials, and width. By width I mean that the bow benefits from the string anchor points being farther apart compared to the narrower anchors in a crossbow or slingshot. Crossbows make up for it somewhat with pulleys (compound) or special materials - including support for the anchor points.
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01-17-2022, 04:18 PM | #18 | |
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Re: Slingshot: Why not ST-based damage?
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https://forums.sjgames.com/showthread.php?t=100712 http://forums.sjgames.com/showthread.php?t=119813
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01-17-2022, 04:27 PM | #19 |
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Re: Slingshot: Why not ST-based damage?
No, it can be ineffectively used at different ST; there is a dramatic loss in energy for reducing draw force (the same thing applies to bows).
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01-17-2022, 05:33 PM | #20 |
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Re: Slingshot: Why not ST-based damage?
Don't worry about the damage! Just buy the Hit Location technique up to 9. You'll put their eye out! That's what slingshots are all about.
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